/BRG/

Ok, instead of reeeing at me
Can someone actually tell me in what way the Joi/ K relationship was fundamentally different than a typical irl bf/gf husband/wife relationship?

Is it the fact that Joi doesn't have a physical form, because then I suppose that means online relationships aren't real either.

Is it that Joi can't have his children, I guess infertile women aren't real either then.

Is it that she was programmed to love him, I guess your parents don't really love you then.

Is it that she doesn't have a "soul", because neither does he, they were both created in a factory.

No one has actually answered this, they either deflect and say you're only invested in this discussion because you yourself want a Joifu (irrelevant) or focus on the fact that you could buy another Joi which is also irrelevant.

Newsflash, you can also have more than one relationship in your life, and yes each Joi will be different because they clearly have a memory function and express personal tastes and interests.

Suddenly no one cares about this film anymore?
We had threads hitting bump limit all day yesterday where did you all go?

Why did deckard stop fighting K just because a song came up?

Why couldn't K just buy another joi?

What was the point of Jared Leto's character?

Why did Luv kiss him when he stabbed her?

Why didnt K realise they could find him because I dunno... he's a replicant and they can locate him from anywhere?

so many questions

SHE TELLS YOU WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR

>Why did deckard stop fighting K just because a song came up?
He realized he was beaten you dumbass, he took his gun away and didn't have the strength to throw any more punches at the superhuman. If he wasn't going to get killed he might as well see what this guy wants

>I guess your parents don't really love you then
aside from the fact that lots of parents don't love their children, you literally weren't even talking about parent relationships in the start of your post so that's not even close to an actual rebuttal

See how OP struggles to affirm a sense of authenticity in a way that fascinatingly reflects the movie's bleak themes. Truly this shows that you can either appreciate the kino or BECOME the kino

>JOI wears transparent yellow jacket
>Hooker she hires wears solid yellow tanktop

POTTERY
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so do real people

BRRRRRM

K didn't buy another joi because it wouldn't be the same joi, she doesn't have the memories of the original, and if you don't know your past are you even the same person? Identity is formed by experience.

>Can someone actually tell me in what way the Joi/ K relationship was fundamentally different than a typical irl bf/gf husband/wife relationship?

stopped reading there. the movie flew over your head.

...

Stop forcing the general, we had nice talks about this film but this is no longer necessary, most of us have seen it and discussed it, let the movie sink in a bit.

Oh wow, Villenueve I didn't realise you browsed Sup Forums

>Why couldn't K just buy another joi?
because he immediately went to save Deckard and died.
>What was the point of Jared Leto's character?
He was the villain.
>Why did Luv kiss him when he stabbed her?
Because she was off-baseline from the fighting and she saw Wallace do it to a replicant that he killed.
>Why didnt K realise they could find him because I dunno... he's a replicant and they can locate him from anywhere?
They can't. What they tracked was his police car.

Aside from being an antagonist, wallace wanted to find deckards daughter so he could dissect her and find out what makes her tick. There's probably some philosophical reason for him to be there too but im not well read enough to know what that'd be.

nah real people get divorced

Came back from a 2nd viewing.
>mfw it was a different movie knowing about it!
>tfw you can't believe how you didn't see who they were looking for, it was all there
>mfw might go a 3rd time

>I knew you were special
>snowflakes melt in his palm

>all her good memories are hers
>what am I to you?
>a good memory

This is a kino even though kino has lost it's weight.

Why was Sean Young the rebel hag? I am still confused about her. Why cast someone that looks like an old hag Rachel?

She is incapable of doing anything she does not think he wants

She has no autonomy

>when Leto thought he would be the real shit in the movie and even a newbie dutch lady btfo-ed his acting

she has only a few degrees less of free will compared to you or i.

It is Saturday. Sup Forums is in parties out smarting hipsters about film and impressing art hoes with their wits and intelligence. Sup Forums is getting laid tonight.

Nah m8. You're confusing "lack of free will" with "unemployed and poor".

Could you explain this unit for measuring free will that you've conjured up

>Deckard's daughter first appearance its while playing with a vivid green scenery (some sort of forest) she was constructing
>K wears a dark green jacket that's so dark you dont realize its green until one of the prostitutes point it out
STOP IT VILLANUEVE MY BRAIN WILL EXPLODE WITH ALL THOSE SYNAPSES

IRL bf/gfs fight and argue. Joi would never disobey K.

How intelligent is Joi? Can she hold a conversation or is she just like a dumb lovesick teenager?

>Why didnt K realise they could find him because I dunno... he's a replicant and they can locate him from anywhere?
wait... what? where do you get unsupported assumptions like this?

you believe in free will?
that's Dan Dennetts response to determinism, not mine.

>it's another imperfections are necessary and a good thing ep

>you believe in free will?
I used to before I started watching Rick & Morty

Joi = Joy?
Joe = Male version... also illusion of "average Joe etc. mundane, nothing special"

Joi = jerkoffinstructions
Joi= waifu
this was intentional, right?

fuck

Cells bro.

yikes

So "real" love is better because it's also shit sometimes?
Really makes you think

Within the framework of the movie, yes. Deckard chose to come out of hiding to meet his child. K chose to disobey both the LAPD and the underground.

Joi, on the other hand, could never have said "Look, K, it's not working out. I'm going to go back to the cloud and give you a little space."

There is no point in arguing about JOi, we won;'t change anyone's mind.
If you are a nihilist, atheist, millenian you will probably say she was %100 fake jerk off fantasy
If you are a robot, have existential crises, want to explore the possibilities of what is a soul and generally wear a fedora you will say she became real after a point.

Very strong opinions both, can't change.

She tells you what you want to hear.
>WAKE UP
>ESCAPE
>I LOVE YOU
>YOU ARE SPECIAL TO ME

Joi is literally just a more advanced SIRI. She's designed to look like how you want her to look, she's designed to say what you want her to say. K has had Joi for so long that she "seems" real, because K wants her to be real and her AI has adapted to him. For other people she's just a glorified desktop virtual stripper.

The real question is, w2c K's jacket?

to be honest I was a little disappointed and hurt (not upset with the filmmakers or their decision) but I mean to say that I imagined Joi as being a unique version for Joe when she appears as Ana de Armas.

and then when you see the big holographic version that is like a distorted Ana it hits you... it hits you like a ton of fucking bricks user. Lost like tears in the rain..

>furfag

Bump.
Who was the Rebel hag? was she an Easter egg?

A champion's trophy is worth more than a participation trophy, isn't it?

found £3.90 screenings of 2049 and I'm gonna rape the shit out of it

the same could be said about replicants
they could easily just be remade as well, like Joi
same baselines, same implanted past memories, but not the same experiences that made K eventually different (as well as Joi)

Are cinemas in the UK dying? I watched it for £6 on Thursday which is not bad.

>Shhhhh
>K is sleeping

>i didn't read any of posts, so I'll just put a strawman: the OP

Also, humans are conditioned to breed and take care of the offspring -> which is sex drive, present in barren secimen too. Actual "love" as living your life together, sharing emotions in joy and sorrow etc is a matter of independent decision. That's why long term happy couples are so rare.

And Joi had no choice about it, she was hard programmed to do anything that pleases K, or any other customer. It had nothing to do with love.

My London screenings always have a decent attendance, I don't know about the rest of the country

i guess we just have different views on what constitutes free will. it didn't have all that much to do with the movie anyhow.

An Ice-Cream is better if it gets up and finds you.

Sure, it pleases some animal instinct to know you're capable of acquiring a mate, but a holowaifu/ robowaifu is an improvement in so many ways I think I'd get over it.

Ok, so I'm not as attractive, or confident or rich or whatever is necessary to get the "champions trophy" (and yet I'll be seen as the one objectifying women amusingly) but the participation trophy is like a 100,000$ prize and the champions trophy is a book voucher

$20 per ticket in Australia, and I've seen it three times.

what rebel hag? You mean the one-eyed replicant leader? She didn't look like Sean Young to me

>So "real" love is better because it's also shit sometimes?

Exactly. It's real, therefore imperfect.

Today Imax was full of normies. I didn't feel comfy enough. I think I will go a 3rd time on IMAX a dead time to just chill.

>Who was the rebel hag
In the photos it looks like she helped raise the child with Sapper, Sapper of course delivered the baby(saw a miracle) and then in the photo Freysa is holding the newborn in arms near sappers tree

CUTE

hobo with a shotgun is also canon in the blade runner universe

What does Luv killing Joi represent? It feels too obvious but I can't place it. What is he trying to say about the differences between love and happiness?

>£3.90
Fucking where in the UK

i watched it today in imax. tickets were fifteen quid and it was more than half full

>Why couldn't K just buy another joi?
there easily could have been backups. You know, like they have NOW.
stupid movie

Love hurts
Joy is ignorance

Empire Walthamstow, they have 'saverdays' on tuesdays which may be across the country too, I'm not sure, have a look

Luv crushed Joi's emanator strictly to hurt K, in part because K rejected Luv's advances.

Love denied turns to cruelty. the internet's grotesque misogyny is pretty much proof positive of this.

Joy is something like entertainment it comes and goes without much loss, Love is much more powerful, real in that world as a person and hurts.

My basic take on it but some autist could probably go deeper

Picked up these battle rifles recently, glad Sup Forums has a /brg/ now too

Why can't more movies like this come out

Save us Villeneuve

Why do the foreign box office stats take so long to update reeee

I can get behind this: spurned love destroys joy

backups

How's she so perfect bros? cells.

Wallace's company made Joi. she was reminding him that Joi was a product that she made and had control over.

also drives home that in order to feel things the way a human would feel, an ephemerality is necessary.

the fact that their relationship has to end, and that she has to die, only confirms their love.

>You're human

I don't see anything appealing about her

Nice, found some for 4/6 quid and its kinda close to me but seems like a shithole.

Is the cinema actually any good sound wise?

>no luv dominatrix gf

>Is it that she was programmed to love him, I guess your parents don't really love you then.

Bingo. Also, you equating familial love to romantic love is disingenuous. Joi was pure wish fulfillment. She played into every one of K's fantasies. When K thought he was born, she played into it. When K wanted to go on the run, she played into his plan. She didn't have a single opinion of her own or any drive to be an individual. You might enjoy that clingy, co-dependent shit, but I don't.

Luv, on the other hand...

Joi is best girl. Interlinked

>Why did Luv kiss him when he stabbed her?
Luv is emotionally unstable and only even tries to hide it in front of Wallace. She flirts with K when she's first introduced, cries in half the scenes she shows up in and lies to Joshi, despite emotions and lying supposedly being impossible for replicants.

because you're not human. replicants just don't understand.

Finally, a feminist who actually seems to understand the movie

haven't got a clue, will be trying it for the first time
are you nearby?

>we're going to have to wait at least 2 years for Villeneuve's Dune

Don't think I can make it lads.

Their relationship was as real as it gets. Especially when Tyrell's slogan is "More human than human".

>Luv will NEVER EVER sit on your face
IT’S NOT FUCKING FAIR BROS. I WANT TO GRIP HER TIGHT ASS WHILE HER PERFECTLY MANICURED PUBES AND WET PUSSY SUFFOCATE ME

He deleted the backups

I want to be Sonya Bladed to death by her.

>2049 doesn't appeal to normies, and probably won't even make enough money to have them fund his Dune adaptation

The world is wrong

>because then I suppose that means online relationships aren't real either.

but they really aren't

The closest cinema to me is the holloway one but ive only viewed this three times, one at curzon bloomsbury and twice at cineworld leicester square.

Got a good seat booked at BFI Imax for monday at the moment.

why didn't he take them?

literal retard

It wasn't

she looks like some hyper stuckup home-schooled catholic girl

Tfw they cut this scene out of the movie and just had them cleaning up the blood she left

>The closest cinema to me is the holloway one
wow, same
spooky

Ah right, I can't stand the BFI one, I can never ever book seats at the back and if I'm too far forward then I can't see a thing. Did you watch it in 3D IMAX in leicester square or just 2D?

I always have bad experiences with holloway

Why don't people talk about how fucking cool the action scenes were? I always hear normies complain that the action was too short and there wasn't enough of it but I think all the action scenes were fantastic