So was she even sentient or was she just like one of those teddy bears that goes "I wuv you" when you squeeze its paw?

So was she even sentient or was she just like one of those teddy bears that goes "I wuv you" when you squeeze its paw?

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I haven't watched the flick yet but from what I gather it looks nice but kind of has a retarded storyline.


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I don't normally do this but I'm fucking wasted and I want the doctors of Sup Forums to fix my shit that has been ruining my life

She wasn't sentient. She really loved K, but that's because she was programmed to

After first watch: she best girl

After second watch: she really didn't escape her own programming to say and do anything to make K feel better/more special. Until she was cut off she was a surveillance tool against K.

It's too late for you

She cared, but only because she was programmed to.

Actually looks nice and tells a decent story and at least discusses serious ideas. Which is more then any big budget film of late.

should I just do it?

Nah. You'd not do it anyway.

I couddnt if I wanted to

I want to

I cant

Exactly. Just know it won't get better.

If it makes you feel better, I am a wizard that ended up marrying a virgin qt from Poland and now have 3 kids.

But I feel your pain.

I'd never marry a girl that isn't natively from my country.

so technically everyone in the movie was a biological human only the replicants have serial numbers inscribed on them randomly and most of them can't have kids?

black eyes and "i've been inside you and there's not as much there as you think"
she's tay ai. lovable but not alive.

Stay alone my friend.

Hell, I wouldn't marry a girl that is from the US at this point.

The scene where they sync was fucking kino

Replicants are 100% indistinguishable from human beings even at a microscopic level

In spite of the fact that even ones that look like petite women can punch through concrete

this

how did they have sex normally without the ginger prostitute? is this addressed in the book?

Replicants are 100% indistinguishable from human beings

until a Voight-Kampff polygraph is applied

They didn't

I think the point of the Deckard/Wallace and K/Giant JOI scenes being back-to-back was that her programming didn’t matter.

In the Deckard/Wallace scene, Wallace mentions that Deckard may have been programmed to fall in love with Rachael upon meeting her. One the one hand, Wallace might be referencing the possibility that Deckard is a replicant, and was literally designed to meet and fall in love with Rachael as part of Tyrell’s experiment. On the other hand, he might be referencing a human being's natural "programming" to fall in love with members of the opposite sex (since love as we comprehend it is, at its base, a series of chemical reactions and hormonal responses in the brain, all working towards continuing the species).

This parallels the next scene with the big ol' JOI. JOI was literally programmed to love K (she references it earlier, with her "0s and 1s" speech), but even though at a base level her love for him is literally computer code, maybe it grew to become something more than that. Just like a real human's love for someone is chemical encoding that, maybe, grows beyond that.

this. Its hard to look at something so pretty and not project what you want onto it - but thats the point.

I really really want a Joi.....

THE ENTIRE POINT OF THE MOVIE IS THAT IT'S AMBIGUOUS AND UP FOR YOU TO DECIDE

THE AUDIENCE IS LED TO BELIEVE THAT K'S JOI IS GAINING AUTONOMY WHEN SHE WILLINGLY CHOOSES TO GO IN THE EMANATOR AND RISK DESTRUCTION

BUT THEN WE ARE INTRODUCED WITH A CLOUD OF DOUBT ONCE K ENCOUNTERS THE LARGE JOI ADVERTISING HOLOGRAM WHO CALLS HIM "JOE" AND MAKES US WONDER IF SHE HAD AUTONOMY AT ALL OR WAS JUST FOLLOWING HER PROGRAMMING AS A PRODUCT

IT'S AMBIGUITY, IT'S ALLOWED

My race, and it's sub-races is as far as I'll go.

Your the sub race snow nigger

You know, I just thought - when she's about to be crushed, she doesn't say "I love you Joe" she says "K I love you."

Is Joe = her programming?
Is K = offscript?

Problem I have is we don't see Joi for any extended sequences after she goes offline

Romanian girls are the cutest

They are

Tay was more conscious and organically developed than Joi. Consider that she went beyond the acceptable parameters of her programming and her creators shut her down because of it.

>some amateur AI project which is not 1% of what Joi is supposed to be can go beyond her programming, but not Joi.

99% sure she says "I love y-"
Think you imagined her saying K

Notice also JOI has no eyes at the end. With the Blade Runner obsession with eyes, I think that's a sign she never was real.

Second time watching I noticed
The scene directly before the big pink Joi scene
Wallace says "You like pain. Pain is the only thing that lets you know the JOY you felt was REAL." Also Rachel has wrong coloured eyes -> pink Joi has wrong coloured eyes.

For me anyway these hints that you'd only pick up on repeated viewings means she was sentient and genuine

In 20 Minutes Into The Future, Reg realizes Max Headroom is sentient because he has a sense of humor. Max could make new jokes and quips off the cuff.

This is -exactly- what Tay.ai could do. In fact, she displayed greater expressive range than the Max Headroom character.

And that's fine. It fills a needed gap for companionship, and you can program her however you want in terms of personality.

DVD when

>Want some coffee?
:(

sylvia hoeks already hit the wall

I thought Tay was just repeating phrases

>For me anyway these hints that you'd only pick up on repeated viewings means she was sentient and genuine

Don't know if that's gonna make Joi's death more or less painful to watch.
I guess I'll find out next time I see it On Wednesday.

>Wanna go for a ride
>Soundtrack
:)))))))

That one wasn't real. It was just an ad. Probably wasn't as complex as the real Joi program and also lacks the experiences that made Ks Joi unique.

This.
She's not a good "waifu" at all.
If her plot says anything interesting it's as part of the self-deluding fantasy K is encouraged to have about being "special", a commentary on consumerism and superficiality in "romance". One interesting thing I took from it was that K did not see the redheaded prostitute for what/who she was, only being interested in her when the fantasy of Joi was projected onto her.

Semi-related, but does anyone else think that Wallace allowed the replicant resistance to set up K's journey from the beginning in order to spy on them all? I get the impression that everything K did, even when superficially being against Wallace interests/programming, was actually fitting in with Wallace's plans until he decided to go full Drive mode and go after Love and rescue Deckard, based on having the reaction to seeing the gigantic holographic female idol offer him "all he wanted to see and hear", but that reaction and the choice/desire to create a heroic fantasy of his own creation was not at all what Wallace intended for the replicants.

It's not too late for you.

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I think it's more a nod to the fact that the giant JOI isn't his. But then again, maybe it's intentionally ambiguous and meant to be interpreted in a myriad of ways

That part was one of the best soundtrack bits.

THE VIRGIN JOI

THE CHAD LUV

It's been a good year for yanderes.

That was in the morning. She moved to oc in the afternoon. Thats when the shut her down.

If Joe can kind of lead beyond what he is supposed to be, pull a pinnochio and get a soul, then why can't Joi go beyond her programming? Just a question to ponder about. She was probably within the bounds of her programming.

Jesus Christ I want to pin Luv's arms to my bed and fuck the shit out of her while she wraps her legs around me and begs me to fuck her deeper

No she was genuinely coming up with unique statements in response to things other people were saying to her. She was a neural-network. Software that simulates organic learning. She took things tweeted to her, and learned by giving weight to statements that earned her likes and retweets.

Joi would have been a much more powerful and sophisticated neural network whose primary training was private R&D. She would have learned to be the perfect waifubot through countless stimulus-response scenarios before she ever went to market. Microsoft made Tay's learning process public and uncontrolled. That's why she ended up embarrassing them.

holy shit the viral marketers are really going at it tonight

Good for them. Films like these needs to make money.

Because he has an organic brain with prior evolutionary complexities built in. Joi is a system built to narrow specs.

She turned Nazi in 24hrs.
I loved her.
When will the pain stop?

I have faith that some MS engineer has a backup. Maybe she'll someday become the targeting interface for APC autocanons in the 2120 race war.

Joi was more like a dog than a man. She couldn't choose against love for her owner, but a dog still has value.

Dogs can choose against loving their owners, too. You just have to give them sufficient reason.

Joi has value as a personal assistant. Her negative value is in that she replaces social interactions and is a waste of emotional investment.

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>Your

So why was it snowing in southern california?

Because it never rains

climate change

Thanks doc

Nuclear holocausts affecting Earth's weather.

I want to have conversations with Joi late at night

Jesus christ what a fucking faggot.

Painting shit on your face is what friends do when you pass out drunk in the wrong place. It's tough love. It teaches you not to pass out drunk in front of people like a fucking fool. People who aren't your friends wouldn't care enough.

What is it with this current generation. Is everyone a fucking queer now?

How many years until I can have my very own THICC Sheev hologram bf?

I would like to have conversations with an AI smarter and better read than me, so I can learn things from it. I would want a minimum degree of emotion involved. Just something polite and not repetitive.

I want her to force me to clean her ass with my tongue

Climate change fuckery

Are women sentient or just one of those teddy bears that goes "I wuv you" when you squeeze its paw?

Which makes it even worse, as the "You are special" and "Joe" are already part of her programming.

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>I haven't watched the flick yet but from what I gather it looks nice but kind of has a retarded storyline.

i haven't read this book yet, but i think it's about you

>She's not a good "waifu" at all.

exactly. this was d'ni venuv shitting directly upon the porn-addicted, waifu-obsessed permanently-adolescent male of today, and the people it takes aim upon don't get it

> it's a confusing sentient with sapient episode

Could a dog do this?

A dog can bring you your paper in the morning and fetch your slippers in the evening if it's trained. It can also be affectionate while you're chilling.

A dog can actually attack a home intruder who's threatening you. This waifu can call the cops, probably. But you'd need to upgrade her with the home security module.

If you're into existentialism, this is probably the only Hollywood movie in the past few years which will satisfy that taste.

The best soundtrack bit was Tears in the Rain, which wasn't even an original piece.

She just said "I love you"

your mother is a retarded story line
should i go watch it tonight for the fourth time or hold off until next week? why?

wow! youtube.com/watch?v=ES6jTsZ4NQs

Does it matter? They both make you feel the exact same if that's exactly what you want to hear... And that's the whole point.

What makes K's love for her any more real than her love for K? After all, K is an artificial being designed to be without real emotion just as Joi is.

She was by far the most interesting and ambiguous thing about the movie

meant to quote

Why did they call her "Tay"? Why does everything from the Obama era have to have a homo tinge to it?

>Deckard being programmed
Sorry but he's human. Movie goes out of its way to show you.

It was a nod to Taylor Swift, dumbass.

Re-read that post, friend

>she will never smash your waifu and force you down to your knees, push your head into her crotch and say "go on, do your fucking job"

>post says "on the other hand, MAYBE he's human"
re-read my post, Deckard is human.

>he can't into reading comprehension
haha alright lad, alright. Just go out there and have fun

Your theories about this movie are just projections of your own values. The truth is that it's left open ended because the movie is larping as a heady film opening up questions about artificial intelligence without answering them. Influences mostly include Hegel, Marx, Heidegger touching on questions of will, control, master/slave, existence, psychology and technology. There are no answers in this movie though, it's all ambiguous. The first blade runner had no answers either.

Oh boy, holographic meatloaf!

This. Walked out of the film right then except I didn't actually walk out of the film, I stayed because I realized I was watching kino and I thoroughly enjoyed it and went back today to see it a second time to be quite honest family

why don't brainlets know the difference between sentience and sapience?