>The original and greatest Arch-Enemy in comics, from which all Nemesis relationships are derived.
>Created the template for an entire type of derivative villain that has been followed by hundreds of other characters over the years (the insane laughing chessmaster)
>Striking image immediayely recognized by people all over the world
>Enemy of the world's most popular superhero
Is the Green Goblin the most iconic, influential super villain in comic book history?
No, Joker is.
>this is what Spider-Fags believe
I'm pretty sure Venom has supplanted Green Goblin as the "ultimate archenemy" in the minds of most casual Spider-Man fans. Not that it makes a ton of sense, Venom's never been particularly great as a Spider-Man villain- fact is, he's at his most interesting when his stories are divorced from Spider-Man altogether. Still, it is what it is, I guess. Casuals want Venom.
Joker is the true original
This has to be bait since all of the points apply to Joker more than Gobby.
Those things are the size of basketballs. No one would make a grenade like that. Super strength doesn't change ergonomics.
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>build a grenade
>make it really uncomfortable to use
LOCK ME UP AND THROW AWAY THE KEY, D A M A G E D
>most popular hero in the world
>not spider-man
>this is what Batfags actually believe
Gobby is my favorite villain in comics, but other Anons are correct, Joker and even Lex Luthor are far more iconic and influential
Venom hardly counts to me, he has the same track record as the Punisher practically, started as a Spidey baddy but quickly became a dark anti hero unto himself, he just didn't have the same success as Punisher despite his popularity
The weird thing is, supervillains like the Green Goblin and the Joker are arguably terrible archenemies, as they're the kind who are too evil to be left alive.
Like, if I was Spidey, I'd have gone "Okay, that's fucking it" after Gwen died, and ripped Osborne in half. Not hunting down and killing the Green Goblin each time he pops back up is a terrible idea.
Joker wasn't really established as Batman's arch enemy in his origins like the Goblin was for Spidey.
Nah, bro.
Goblin is Spidey's Joker. Venom is Spidey's Bizarro.
Memes only give off the illusion Spider-Man is more popular than he really is.
Well, he kinda died after Gwen did.
Batman's comics consistently outsell Spidey's and TDK outsold any of his movies.
But please, post that picture of action figure sales.
>doesn't know the difference between a bomb and a grenade
Fair enough, but Spidey really should've incinerated the corpse or something. I suppose it's the nature of comics, but when Osborne is alive and running HAMMER in Dark Reign, part of me can't help but think "Peter, why haven't you killed this man yet?"
>The Joker
>Lex Luthor
>Magneto
>Doctor Doom
>Loki
Those four above (at the very least) rate higher than Goblin in the arch-enemy pecking order from everything between historical context to popularity. Hell, Goblin's not even the most popular Spider-Man villain. He's easily eclipsed by Venom to most casual and it's arguable that Dr. Octopus has a much stronger arch-villain role for Spider-Man in a historical context.
>spidey's popularity is a meme
DCasuals actually believe this?
He's easily no. 3 in the most popular of all time list.
That's why Doctor Octopus is the superior nemesis!
Norman was dead from Night Gwen Stacy Died to Clone Saga
He unironically is.
>and even Lex Luthor are far more iconic and influential
Not OP, but Lex wouldn't be what he is today if it wasn't for Goblin. But yeah, Joker is more iconic and influential.
List goes:
Joker, Goblin, Lex,
>Moviefags believe this.
But Goblin *wasn't* tied to Spidey's origins, in fact Spidey fights a good dozen villains before we ever see Gobby or Norman.
What kind of next level shitposting is this?
It's almost like I was talking about Goblin's origin and not Spidey's or something.
Merch sales aren't just action figures, what you really think heroes make billions each in toy sales?
The more cogent criticism is the date of the data (2013).
>Lex Luthor with a coat of Joker
>most original
>most recognized
Lol
Personal pronouns denote the last person mentioned in the sentence. Right ? Or am I being dumb?
>>spider flags and Bat fags fighting again
Literally nobody but comic nerds know Goblin.
Fuk of spiderfags and batfaggots,Lex was doing the personal foil since the 1940s,your villians are two decades too late
Be main villian in multiple spider man cartoons and video games as well as two live action movies.But some anima still think he's unknown
He was in a couple of movies.
I don't say this often, but you are an idiot.
>A grenade is a small bomb typically thrown by hand.
Not him but that implies larger bombs exist and are viable.
People throw basketballs all the time. There's a whole sport built around it.
Nobody knew who Loki was until Avengers, don't lie, nobody knew who the AVENGERS were until theAvengers, let alone Thor and his rogues
Doc Ock makes no sense as a Spidey villain, Spider-Man has spider sense.....he can defeat the X-Men all at once, but can't handle an overweight faggot with tentacles? Norman has the super powers to brawl with Spidey one on one
>Not OP, but Lex wouldn't be what he is today if it wasn't for Goblin
Uh....how?
Basketballs are meant to be gripped with two hands. The image is not of the Joker holding his basketball bombs like basketballs. I don't understand what is so hard about this, user.
> Green Goblin.
> not even the best goblin.
Plenty of players can palm the ball one handed and/or can throw precise one-handed 3/4 court passes, and none of them have superhuman grip or throwing ability.
Not sure why this triggers your immersion when the guy flies around on a rocket-powered glider with no apparent controls.
Now get off your couch and give me 100 jump shots, nerd.
Sorry, I was out doing something. But, before Goblin was around Lex Luthor wasn't a billionaire tycoon guy, he was just kinda a generic scientist who got pissed that Superman made him lose his luscious hair. Then Norman was revealed to be the Goblin, and everyone started to love the idea of the big bad being a billionaire tycoon. So, DC retroactively changed Luthor into being super rich.
Green Goblin is literally one of the most well known comic villains.
You do realize he has done nothing significant in the spidey mythos besides
>Marrying Aunt May
>Possessing Peter Parker.
Lex Luthor and Dr Doom both precede Osborn.
Luthor wouldn't be who he is today without Norman.
I've never heard of that rule. I'm not very good at grammar though, so that could be my problem.
If you go by various sales metrics then he's actually #1 by a wide margin. World-wide he's the top, no contest.
Doc Ock can flail his tentacles all over the place. Making it a lot more challenging. Obviously he goes down in one punch. In fact Spidey has gotten better at fighting Ock. Besides it's not just being able to fight Spider-Man that makes a good Spidey villain. Otto uses his brains more than brawn.
What about forming the Sinister Six?
>nothing significant in the spidey mythos
What the fuck is the Master Planner arc you goddamn buffoon
>Lex Luthor wasn't a billionaire tycoon guy, he was just kinda a generic scientist who got pissed that Superman made him lose his luscious hair. Then Norman was revealed to be the Goblin, and everyone started to love the idea of the big bad being a billionaire tycoon. So, DC retroactively changed Luthor into being super rich.
Is this true
Goblin is just Lex crossed with Joker. Both of whom are practically tied for being the most iconic, influential super villain in comic book history.
>Doc Ock can flail his tentacles all over the place. Making it a lot more challenging.
But when you imagine the idea of a fat fuck in a leotard with a chinese boy haircut flailing his tentacles around, it just looks....well, retarded
it's true about Luthor originally being a normal scientist, his becoming a tycoon was more to do with the zeitgeist of the 80's which had rich businessmen as the ultimate symbol of evil
No
It's bullshit. Norman had been dead for decades when Byrne revamped Luthor. His post-Crisis, corpulent, Lexcorp-leading design owed more to the Kingpin.
Joker and Lex debuted at literally the same month. Also Joker was closer to his modern incarnation than lex was.
But Lex Luthor and Joker are more popular and iconic.
It was lex Luthor
Or Bruno
Green Goblin in some form actually appears in EVERY Spider-Man movie except Amazing 1.
>most iconic, influential super villain in comic book history
>not Doctor Doom
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I'm 21 and I always saw Venom as just ow the edge Spider-Man. He's about as much an arch nemisses as Vermin or Morbious. I always felt Green Gobiln was the real arch enemy of Spider-man. Family connection, hatred of the hero but still willing to rob banks.
A foil that's goal is just to kill the hero isn't much of a foil.
>He's about as much an arch nemisses as Vermin or Morbious
Did you just compare Venom to Vermin?
And Oscorp has a prominent role in Amazing 1 with Norman being the offscreen force behind the spider experiments.
So that's every single Spider-movie.
yes, golden age luthor even did the "was friends with the hero before turning evil" shtick before the green goblin
>Bruno
>he just didn't have the same success as Punisher despite his popularity
How could he? Punisher is a vigilante that kills criminals. Venom was a bad reporter that blamed one person for his lack of fact checking and his whole personality was "kill Spider-man" I just realized he was more of Spider-man's Doomsday than any real villain.
Did you live under a rock in the last 15 years?
Doctor Octopus is a scientist with a bad family background and wall crawling abilities. Gobbo is a flying Halloween decoration.
Peter is a science nerd with a good family background and wall crawling abilities. Other than Harry there's nothing that ties Norman to Peter.
Plus Ock's arms letting him climb and swing in a similar but different way than Peter makes for a cool contrast when they fight, while Norman just keikakus and looks weird.
>Green Goblin is literally one of the most well known comic villains.
He isn't even one of the most well known Spider-man villains.
That poor sod's backstory is such a mess it really keeps him bad.
Yes and when you strip the cool factor of his looks that's all that's left.
Only confusing because of the more interesting backstage war between writers and editors at that time in the Spidey comics.
Still, at least the original is still walking around... but currently in the worst kind of writing hands.. Hopeless.
I wish he just stayed a mystery
There are so few villains left that are actual unknowns to who they are and how they became to be.
Yes, but Vermin is a Z-list nobody that only JM Dematteis cares about.
As opposed to a rich guy flying on a rocket powered broomstick throwing pumpkins from his man purse? Most superheroes and supervillains seem stupid if you boil it down like that.
Agreed with everything listed.
Gobby has super powers comparable to Spidey's
To assume Ock is anything on that level is stupid
>>The original and greatest Arch-Enemy in comics
LOL
I'm not saying Ock is on that level. His arms are though. They protect Otto from Spidey. Obviously once Spidey works his way around them, Otto is out in one punch.
Definitely not the most iconic, but considering the impact killing Gwen Stacey had on the cape industry, I guess you could argue he's the most influential.
He isn't iconic and no one knows who he is outside people younger than 30
He hehe someone made you made today?
Catwoman and the penguin are way more popular than gg, hell the riddler and two face are more well known.
Loki isn't even as popular as poison ivy
They are also kids underwear and stuff like that.
Hahaha no
>Fair enough, but Spidey really should've incinerated the corpse or something.
Did you even read the comics? The first time he died, he was never intended to have a healing ability. There was no reason for Spider-Man to throw his body in an incinerator. That was a bullshit retcon that came up in the 90's when Marvel painted themselves into a corner with the Clone Saga and needed a mastermind.
When Osborn came back the first time, Spider-Man threw Osborn's bag of pumpkin bombs at him. Osborn actually SHOULD have been incinerated by that! But they established he had a healing ability in that issue and then he came back to life in the epilogue.
Actually I'm going to re-frame this into a question for you Sup Forums
Given the impact Gwen Stacey's death had on the industry, does that make the Green Goblin the most influential cape-villain?
It isn't. That user doesn't know what he's talking about. Luthor still stayed a mad scientist throughout the time Spider-Man was created all the way to the mid-80's. Osborn had been dead since the early 70's, so there was no reason to think anyone would change Luthor because of Osborn.
Someone else said it, kingpin was a factor, gg was irrelevant.
Still no. Spiderfags vastly over-inflate the importance of the Death of Gwen Stacy. Yes it was one of the definitive moments of the opening of the Bronze Age, but
1) Death of Gwen Stacy wasn't a catalyst for change in comics insomuch as it was a result of the change that had already been happening. It's not like it caused the Bronze Age to happen.
2) That was much less about Gobby as a character and more about whether publishers would allow real consequences to the kinds of things villains often do
3) Even with that story, he's still vastly overshadowed by people like Lex and Joker in terms of how he influenced how characters are written and the stories that we get.
>Still no. Spiderfags vastly over-inflate the importance of the Death of Gwen Stacy.
It's not just Spider-Man fans overinflating its importance. I've seen too many uninformed people trying to claim it's the start of the Bronze Age of Comics.
the complaint is reasonable, but making the villains less evil would be a stupid way to 'fix' it
if thats google trends, it she should be noted that people will google spider-man as spiderman or spider man. which will make it look lower
It's not so much "less evil" as not giving them an increased bodycount. Arguably you don't even need it. BTAS had a lot of restrictions and some people who got affected by Joker venom didn't die, yet they still managed to imply Joker was terrifying to Gotham.
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>green goblin was pulling all the strings for the clone saga in the shadows
No... Normans retconned death is way worse than hobgoblins true identity mess.
>But, before Goblin was around Lex Luthor wasn't a billionaire tycoon guy, he was just kinda a generic scientist who got pissed that Superman made him lose his luscious hair. Then Norman was revealed to be the Goblin, and everyone started to love the idea of the big bad being a billionaire tycoon. So, DC retroactively changed Luthor into being super rich.
Pretty sure it was the 80s that changed Lex Luthor into being an evil businessman. But sure, go ahead and imagine Norman's massive non-existent cultural footprint.
Early Venom basically filled Green Goblin's niche at the time: a villain that can threaten him both as Spider-Man and Peter Parker.
>Striking image immediayely recognized by people all over the world
lol no.
>Enemy of the world's most popular superhero
lol no again. Thats Superman and Batman
They both copied Kingpin, who was still a spidey villain.
>>The original and greatest Arch-Enemy in comics, from which all Nemesis relationships are derived
That's Lex Luthor and you know it.
Green Goblin wasn't even Spider-Man's first arch-enemy. It was Doctor Octopus before that.