>It was a fucking mess. There is a reason Patty Jenkins was dropped from Thor. Gal Gadot is pretty frustrated with the movie as well. Well for one, Jenkins cannot command the respect a director deserves. The director of a movie is the captain of the ship and needs to steer it. Jenkins is a total doormat and everyone walks over her. The production crew often supersedes her commands, she cant get the actors under control, and she's easily frustrated. Fucking Chris Pine on the days he was on set pretty much had to play Dad while she was Mom.
>"We have somebody within our community who has gotten inside information that broke my heart this week... because I have tremendous belief that Wonder Woman is gonna be awesome... and I heard it stinks, from the same person who told me that they heard that BvS stinks"
>"...both of us where so excited for this movie. Their response was 'I'm very disappointed in what I saw, and it seems similar, it seems like all of the problems are the same problems...that it's discombobulated, it doesn't have narrative flow, it's just very disjointed."
Then there is SOMEONE deeply involved in all DC movies fucking the montage.
Both Snyder movies suffered from this, so everybody assumed it was a Snyder problem, but then SS suffered from this as well and now (if true) Wonder Woman.
Find the motherfucker and fuck him.
Jose Gray
>Find the motherfucker and fuck him. this. fuck him and make him breakfast
because this amazing man ensured MCU domination for the rest of fucking forever
Jose White
>but don't forget that Wonder Woman sucks
It's okay. Everybody forgot about that anyway.
I mean, considering everything else that's going on in the DCEU, how could anybody care about, of all things, Wondy right now?
Colton Rodriguez
>fucking the montage
What?
Ayden Phillips
>linking to Collider.
Isnt this shit a bannable offense?
Andrew Lee
Honestly I assumed the fact that we're focusing on The Batman is an admission that Wonder Woman sucks. It comes out in what, two months? Zero hype whatsoever. Barely any more for Justice League. There's no 1.jpg for Wonder Woman. You can't even bait that believably.
Josiah Morales
Given the press around this movie, it seems no one on set had any idea what this movie was supposed to be. The entire DCEU is just a desperate attempt to find footing by throwing everything and kitchen sink at the viewer
Jackson Cruz
When Batman sucks, there's no hope for the rest.
Christian King
I forgot this movie's coming out soon.
Evan Butler
It's not Collider.
Wyatt Gonzalez
>Given the press around this movie There's been press around this movie?
Connor Wright
Poor press
Brandon Long
>marvelshills in full effect
Granted the DC movies are not great, but if you think the Marvel films are anything better than fluff, I pity you.
Jaxson Jenkins
I assume he meant the editing.
Isaac Nelson
You are adorable.
Kayden Long
This was too far along in production when BvS came out to fix it, right? Seems like theres nothing left but to wait for the inevitable.
Michael Hall
>but if you think the Marvel films are anything better than fluff, I pity you. so you pity every single person on the planet?
Jose Evans
>DCfags always have to bring up the MCU >implying half of the Marvel films are not great
Jeremiah Ward
Literally all they had to do was adapt her post-crisis origin. How do you fuck that up?
Still, sucks to be Patty.
Julian Murphy
Most of the marvel films are fluff, but they're competent fluff. They're enjoyable action shlock, and that's all most of them are intended to be. For the average moviegoer, that's enough.
Elijah Hall
>regurgitatimh that letter from the so called disgruntle ex employee.
All though i have noticed a problem with the media shifting blame or pressure. First all the movies are Zack's fault. And now its gonna be Ben's because reasons.
Hunter Williams
Why would it be Ben's fault? He stepped down because he didn't like what was going on.
Ayden Thompson
>same group that says Ben Affleck wants to drop out of Batman says Wonder Woman is a mess
Really makes you think
Jaxon Gray
Another floop, bomb with Gal Gadot? Really? "I am surprised"
Daniel Sanchez
>>same group
For you BVS and SS are great movies?
Daniel James
>DCEU fan immediately says "MARVEL SUCKS TOO!" Yeah, we know. It's more fun to shit on th DCEU becuase it's a bigger trainwreck.
Cooper Walker
What the fuck are you talking about?
SchmoesKnow and Collider Movie Talk are hosted by the same people
Alexander Martinez
Is this another sign? Just look at the marketing of Suicide Squad. This movie is a ghost town in that regard and it's fucking Wonder Woman.
Caleb Garcia
>there is SOMEONE deeply involved in all DC movies fucking the montage No, the problem is that there ISN'T anyone like that. Nobody who's actually making coherent decisions. Not Johns, not Snyder, not Affleck, nobody.
MoS and BvS suffered from Snyder and Goyer being shit, SS suffered from WB being cheap bastards and WW looks to be much the same way.
Logan Robinson
He didnt step down[from directing ] because of WB but because of pressure to reveal everything, no one caring about the movies hes doing now and hes getting a divorce. WB let him take a load off his shoulders because hes right its cant do both if folks want the best performance out of him.
Landon Perry
>the media kek
>First all the movies are Zack's fault. Nobody has ever claimed that any movie other than BvS or MoS was Zack Snyder's fault.
>And now its gonna be Ben's because reasons. Reason #1: Affleck would appear to hold a considerable amount of sway at WB and DC because he's an Oscar winning actor/director who has now donned the cowl of the most popular superhero on the planet and the studio's biggest money maker.
Reason #2: The Batman movie appears to be in utter disarray at the moment and he was the director/star of the fucking thing. People are gonna look at him.
Jackson Reyes
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Michael Clark
>can't keep ADULTS under control Teachers seem to have it easy when getting students to stop acting up in class
Elijah Adams
Who keeps trying to make Gal Gadot happen? It's never going to happen. She was never any more than a mildly attractive extra in the Fast and Furious movies.
Kevin King
>"DCEU movies will be great thanks to Ben!" >movies are shit >"Why are people blaming Ben for this?"
Hudson Cook
You fucks were blaming him for the reshoots or his fault DC 'became jokey' because his movies suckef so much
Ben isnt their only Oscar winner/nominated in the studio. But the media is treating him like hes in charge of the whole thing and can pull everything they want out his ass exactly the way the what it. Its basically been 'we want this and this that way and if its not pandering to me than its a suck ass movie that i refuse to look at a different way or outside my comfort zone.
Amovie we know nothing about outside 4 actors starring in is in disarray. Again you are feeding from the media. They dont know shit just like us but you are acting like theyve seen a completed movie which doesnt even have a release date. Hell its the fucking fladh we should be worrying about but theres not a zip because i agree about Batman everyone knows him and wants him to be thier way.
Connor Hughes
stop rageposting on your phone
Kayden Reyes
The gang rape scene won't go down well with the critics
Lucas Hall
no scene will go down well with critics
Noah Price
>critics >giving a feminist gurl power movie a bad score
Owen Garcia
Didn't this fanfic come out months ago? Why is it being posted again now?
I wonder who could be behind this.
Logan Rodriguez
DC and bad acting, directing and storytelling trump any "gurl power" messages
Logan Robinson
You mean just like Ghostbusters 2016?
Jose Peterson
a fair amount will say it's retrograde and the others will say it's shit despite the feminism being a good point
this isn't Ghostbusters where they had to take a stand against "misogynistic dudebros"
Tyler Lopez
>gang rape scene
Is this true? Did they actually include the very worst bit from Azzarello's run in the movie?
Austin Scott
Looks like her power level is growing with each subsequent film.
Bentley Moore
yes, and it's as made up as your example
Julian Fisher
Ghostbusters wasn't DC though
Jonathan Butler
>Nobody has ever claimed that any movie other than BvS or MoS was Zack Snyder's fault. To be fair we kind of have and for good reason. Zack's got his fingers on the tentpole films; everything has to gel with his vision. He's the closest thing WB has to a Feige.
William Jackson
Not really
When people criticize Wonder Woman they might mention Snyder because it's clear it's following his shitvision, but I never saw anyone blaming Suicide Squad on Snyder
Christopher Fisher
>You fucks were blaming him lol prove it
>Ben isnt their only Oscar winner/nominated in the studio No, he's just their most valuable, most famous and most important.
>But the media What media? You can't just so "THE MEDIA", that's a term so broad that it's useless.
Jeremiah Edwards
>MoS and BvS suffered from Snyder and Goyer being shit, SS suffered from WB You mean financial successes that only hipster critics don't like? >WW looks to be much the same way. A success? Good.
Dylan Johnson
haha
Oliver Powell
>You mean financial successes that only hipster critics don't like? I'm pretty sure Snyderfags have described the MCU the exact same way. You liked a shitty movie, it's alright to admit it. >A success? lol
Nicholas Sullivan
Suicide Squad was bland quip goofy Marvel garbage BECAUSE it didn't follow Snyder. Man of Steel along with Batman v Superman are still heavily discussed, you actually remember the movies after you watch. But Suicide Squad? People like cosplaying as its Harley. That's about it. Otherwise no one cares.
Joseph Harris
>Man of Steel along with Batman v Superman are still heavily discussed because of how terrible they were
Cameron Cox
>BECAUSE it didn't follow Snyder >implying there is literally no other way to make a superhero movie outside of Snyder's supposed grand design
>Man of Steel along with Batman v Superman are still heavily discussed So is The Room, I can do it too.
Samuel Taylor
>So is The Room, I can do it too. No it isn't. It's mentioned in every thread to discredit the DCEU but other than that nobody actually talks about the content of the film.
Jose Richardson
Clickbait articles. Interviews asking him about Batman which only has a script so he cant say shit. Things like that. Hell that rumor he was leaving just last week.
And im not loooing back just for you to prove me right on your own. In anoth thread or later in this one.
And this is personal opinions especially when a few reviewers complained about WB using Oscar winners/nominees as a bad thing. Hes not the most important as opposed folks are going for him because hes playing Batman so soon after Bale thus they want the DC character thats casualbait.
Bentley Cooper
>I have tremendous belief that Wonder Woman is gonna be awesome Why would you do that? even the trailer was meh.
Kayden Peterson
>to discredit the DCEU Are you Sean Spicer? Seriously, you sound like you work for some sort of propaganda department.
>nobody actually talks about the content of the film There have been entire books writtten about The Room. Even if your argument did ring true, I've got another example for you. How about the Star Wars prequels? People sure talk a lot about those and they came out decades ago. Does all the discussion mean that they're good movies? No, you fucking moron.
Sebastian Morris
BUT WAIT!
THERE'S MORE
Juan Young
I have a source. It said Justice League is really good. So, there you go.
Henry Hill
>Source says BvS was bad >Ant Man was good Dubious at best.
Justin Cox
Yeah but DC hasn't even managed competent fluff yet, which is a serious problem. I really want Wonder Woman and Aquaman to do well but I'm not hopeful at this point.
Levi Diaz
but both of those is true tho
Eli Martinez
>DUDE JUST SHOVE YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND >IT WORKS
Joshua Lopez
>Man of Steel along with Batman v Superman are still heavily discussed, you actually remember the movies after you watch
No, they're only still discussed because DC shills are still desperately trying to convince people those flicks didn't suck, and then the rest of us just laugh at them and go on with our lives.
Christian Perry
The joke is that anonymous sources can only be trusted with a grain of salt or less. You can say anything you want and claim it came from a number of anonymous sources and people will take it at face value if it meshes with their beliefs.
For example, if I went on a podcast and said that "Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2" is planning to cast Jon Hamm as Dick Ryder, nobody would believe me. But if I went on a podcast and said that several sources close to the film reported that Jon Hamm is a lock to play Dick Ryder, then more people would believe me because I supposedly got my news from people involved on the film.
It's a matter of verification. It's also why you can't trust rogue government accounts on Twitter, like @RoguePOTUSStaff.
Thomas Watson
>Spoiler going full autist in a DCEU thread As usual
Kevin Harris
>Marvel shills are still desperately trying to convince people those flicks did suck ftfy
Wyatt Ramirez
I can understand silence on JL, but absolutely no news coming from this cannot bode well for WB, like not even an obligatory press release of 'unity' and some sort of critic screening
Aiden Powell
>People are saying a bad movie is bad >This makes me irrationally angry >I'll call him mad, that always works
Really made me think.
Kevin Stewart
Don't bully him. I actually kind of miss when Sup Forums had several active tripfags. They're a rare breed these days and must not be bullied.
Carter Cruz
>everyone on the planet is a marvel shill
Parker Robinson
and they make less money on each new Gal Gaot movie
Jonathan Reed
Hey at least Marvel shills know what they have, mediocre action movies that will entertain the masses for a brief time until the next one is released. DCEU fags on the other hand are in a fucking Wonderland of their own denial given how shit each film has been. They grasp straws trying to validate their shitty taste.
Chase Green
>People think this movie is bad >Everyone on earth is just a paid disney shill >It can't be that the movie was actually bad.
Adrian Bell
We still have Boco, our resident tripfag. Isnt that enough?
Ryan Young
Honestly, I'd prefer 'Competently made popcorn flick' to whatever the hell DC is doing right now.
Henry James
>r. Man of Steel along with Batman v Superman are still heavily discussed, I dunno if you play video gaems at all but are you aware of how EA handled the consumer response to Mass Effect 3's ending? It was derided to an extreme never seen before in the genre. People got up in arms about it enough to raise thousands of dollars that they donated to charity just to get Bioware to respond to their claims, one guy got butthurt enough to sue the company for false advertising, The sheer vitriol that the ending caused even got some national attention as it was covered on NPR. It contributed to EA being voted the worst company in america by the Forbes poll, twice in a row.
And what did EA do? The next shipment of ME3 discs had a caption. "The most talked about ending in video game history!" on the back.
"Heavily discussed" never means "good". Hell, we still talk about 9-11 and the holocaust.
Ryder Russell
Give me a Superman movie with the tone/charm of STAS any day. They pretty much nailed every Supes related character anyway
Parker Jones
I most definitely view this version of Superman as Judeo-Christian, in the essentially Christian humanist terms of Last Temptation. Beyond the obviously messianic and disruptive nature of his abilities, the film routinely comments on the tension between his sense of duty to the world and his human interests and attachments ("you don't owe this world a thing," and what-not.) Clark's inner conflict is essentially the same as Jesus' in that particular story. Moments like the fire rescue in Mexico feel really uncomfortable not just because of some cosmic horror at the thought of a living God, but because Clark himself seems really uncomfortable with that association...the divine implications of his powers are at odds with his expressed sense of identity, which is quite humble and human.
His entire conflict with Batman falls apart upon that realization. Batman doesn't back down because he's convinced of Superman's inherent goodness, but because he's convinced of his essential humanity. His construction of Superman as some inscrutable force collapses when he realizes he's a son who fears for his mother's life. Of course, despite that humanizing reality, Supes still martyrs himself. A spear is involved, he winds up in a Pieta pose, etc. If it was Willem Dafoe, it'd be a pretty similar movie.
It's all gorgeous. You actually have to understand the characters and think a little bit to enjoy Snyder movies. You want quip garbage over that? I'm sorry you can't enjoy BvS. Really, I'm sorry. You're missing out on a lot.
Henry Howard
We've had two goddman movies of Clark = Jesus in Gethsemene And that's like 5% of the Jesus story. When can we get the oher 95%? The part where Jesus is this guy that goes around talking to people and making friends and gathering followers? Apparently never, because now Batman is the one that gets to have disciples.
Easton Harris
Pasta isnt on the menu tonight
Caleb Sanders
That would be nice. The new movies really seem to have missed out on the actual charm of superman.
Christian Hill
>And that's like 5% of the Jesus story. When can we get the oher 95%? The part where Jesus is this guy that goes around talking to people and making friends and gathering followers? Snyder skipped all that, because once Jesus resurrected he buggered off and still hadn't returned. That 95% is cut, much like Superman's Clark Kent identity.
Carson Ortiz
BvS is the greatest superhero film in history. No one has ever been able to point out a legitimate flaw.
I'd prefer them to continue to make high quality films. If you want garbage, you have Marvel.
Parker Morris
What are they missing out on excatly that isnt superman? Wanting to do good dispite what others say. Actually leting us see just how these critisms are effecting him? How important his parents and Lois are to him? Though ghost dad can leave.
Liam Barnes
>I most definitely view this version of Superman as Gay, in the essentially Gay terms of Last Temptation. Beyond the obviously Gay and Gay nature of his abilities, the film routinely comments on the sexual tension between his sense of booty and his human interests and attachments (in cock and what-not.) Clark's inner conflict is essentially the same as Gachi-Muchi in that particular gym. Moments like the orgy in Mexico feel really uncomfortable not just because of some masturbating at the thought of a living God, but because Clark himself seems really uncomfortable with that association...the gay implications of his powers are at odds with his expressed sense of sexuality, which is quite gay and hot >His entire FWB relationship with Buttman falls apart upon that realization. Butttman doesn't back down because he's convinced of Superman's dick , but because he's convinced that he is the boss of this gym. His construction of Superman as some insatiable force collapses when he realizes he's a fag who fucks for his mother's life. Of course, despite that humanizing reality of sucking cock, Supes still fucks himself. A spear is involved, he winds up in a Pieta pose, etc. If it was Gachi-Muchi, it'd be a pretty similar porno. >It's all really gay. You actually have to love the smell of your own farts and make up bullshit to enjoy Snyder movies. You want a good movie over that? I'm sorry you can't enjoy sucking Snyder cock. Really, I'm a massive faggot. You're missing out on a lot of dicks in your face.
Josiah Morales
A lot of effort for just a gay joke. I give this post a C-
Ayden Martin
The fact that this rat faced kike was chosen to represent fucking WONDER WOMAN makes me never want to watch anything DC related ever again.
Only Jonah Hill is a bigger example of jewish nepotism than this
Angel Moore
I'd prefer if they just made the movies they wanted to make how they wanted to make them and not have to worry about forcing them to fit into a cinematic universe
Jack Smith
Did Batman being a killer really hurt the movie for a lot of people? I didn't mind.
Christian Cooper
Sounds like I have just as much writing ability as Snyder then.
Joseph Roberts
Agreed. Good movies don't have obnoxious fanboys obsessively posting elaborate essays and creating safe space threads to justify their very existence.
Chase Sanchez
>because this amazing man ensured MCU domination for the rest of fucking forever Having a rival is good, it helps you be better and try new things. MCU has become a stale formula, Doctor Strange bored me.
Landon Clark
>DCEU will bomb and die.
Finally.
Kevin Diaz
>MCU has become a stale formula, Doctor Strange bored me. 3edgy5me