>Netflix released all 13 episodes to critics, and despite strong performances from Bernthal, Walcott and Moss-Bachrach (Micro), it was a slog to reach the end. I found myself thinking back to Person of Interest, which did a better job with similar material. Its main characters were an ex-CIA vigilante and his hacker partner, battling shadowy enemies in the military-industrial complex. Even in the framework of a formulaic CBS crime show, it was more satisfying than Marvel’s attempt at serious long-form drama.
>As a narrative about veterans trying to find their place in the world, “The Punisher” has something to say. But it could have been so much shorter, and its placement in the Marvel universe feels tangential at best.
>The Punisher’s first episode is sleepy and repetitive; nothing in it is anything we didn’t see in the second season of Daredevil. Along those same lines, The fifth and sixth episodes already drag more than the others, an indication of the usual mid-season Netflix slump.
It worked when Garth Ennis did it. Valley Forge, Valley Forge was top tier.
Oliver Nelson
pretty much this
Ryan Evans
It all depends on how much the conspiracy shit impacts his origin. 'Family killed by criminals in random encounter' is a totally different story from 'family killed by shadow government to conceal secrects.' It's changes the whole character.
Josiah Morales
Art is inherently political and to deny such makes you an anti-intellectual pleb, and a coward incidentally.
But the reviews aren't surprising. Netflix Marvel has been trending downward in quality hard after JJ, and another show that's too many episodes long? What a surprise. When will they stop that shit?
Ian Harris
How can they screw that up? All they needed to do is no holds barred revenge porn.
Gavin James
Keep presuming Netflix would fucking learn that its most popular shows suffer from their length. Sat though so much unnecessary side plots that take away from the pace of what could have been 4 amazing series. The Defenders was an absolute let down. Even though it was shorter, the story was weak, the villains posed next to no actual threat, and it felt maybe to early to bring these character together. This feels like its going to have everything that was good about DD S2 but again padded out with forgettable characters, weak plots and few payoffs. Still going to have to sit though hours of it to get maybe 8 eps worth of a good series.
Jason Harris
13 episodes. They should do less.
Wyatt Turner
I'm not even sure if pure episode count is the issue, since Defenders was 8 episodes and it was still padded and boring as shit
Tyler Price
why did they add the shitty secretary from Daredevil? Literally network tv tier type of shit. Looks fucking awful
Isaiah Hughes
Maybe you shouldn't read it if it offends you.
Tyler Bailey
I love The Punisher so much. I would go as fast as to say it might my favorite fictional character/story of all-time. Watching Netflix and Marvel trot out Frank for normies is like watching your high school sweetheart get gang raped by nu-males.
I swear to Christ if I have to read faggots looking for Good Boy Points chimping out about Frank for the next several months....
Samuel Williams
Yeah I also WTFed at that in the trailer. Punisher is always a big intimidating motherfucker in the comic. But he was a manlet in the trailer? Dropped.
Cooper Gutierrez
>have a chance to do a cool 80's/90's B action movie homage type of show where Punisher goes fucks shit up of criminals and gangsters in over the top gruesome ways (like he did in the first episodes in S2 of DD) >instead do a generic le evil CIA government conspiracy shit that everyone's already seen 100 times before
Aaron Ward
These shows should be 6-8 tops. Probably 5.
Isaac Davis
Castlevania should've been much longer.
Jackson Sanchez
If you expected it to be good might aswell leave this board and fuck off back to readdit
Nolan Cruz
I agree. Punisher is one-dimension character who best works in environment where he has to kill specific target. I guess you could add 'Nam PTSD or flashback scenes. Why did they fuck up such a simple concept?
Matthew Powell
I watched Person of Interest until it turned into a Gay Grrl Power show.
>its placement in the Marvel universe feels tangential at best.
Best news yet.
Basic criticism is the 13 eps length which everyone here was already saying was too long. 8 eps should be the maximum. Have a fatter final ep if needing a big finish.
Jayden Richardson
>13 episodes What? No way I'm watching this trash, these are shit shows made to be binge watched, I guarantee most people won't get past the first 5 eps
Jace Williams
So they did the government conspiracy thing so Frank can kill faceless mercenaries instead of shitty criminals, correct? It seems like a needless move. If you’re gonna make the Punisher not some criminal killing nutbar, why even bother doing a Punisher series?
Cameron Carter
t. SJW who would have died by now if they'd avoided exposing themselves to anything that offended them.
Connor Perez
I'm assuming they've made it part of the deal in the beginning for these shows that they would be 13 episodes long, there's no way they can't see that pacing/filler were the biggest issues with luke cage, jessica jones and iron first.
well pretty much everything went wrong with iron fist.
there's no reason for them to be 13 eps still, especially being on a platform like netflix without having to please advertisers, there should be more flexibility in the length of shows, and individual episodes if they need to be longer/shorter.
Bentley Cook
Come ON that trailer was insane with the perfect use of Metallica if that was from a Death Wish reboot people would still be hyped man.
Isaiah Gomez
So it's like some shitty CBS crime show? Fuck, worst fear confirmed
Jonathan Harris
>Art is inherently political and to deny such makes you an anti-intellectual pleb, and a coward incidentally.
Post Modernism/Frankfurt School/Critical Theory/Cultural Marxism at work, folks.
Asher Hill
mixed means positive so we win
James Gomez
Will Marvel stop making this shit on Netflix now that Disney is going to have its own streaming service?
Matthew Turner
>Let me throw in my buzzwords I just learned
Leo Green
>Art is inherently political Nigga what?
Also: >Capeshit Netflix show >Art
Chase Price
Learn to read
Henry Hall
Has it been leaked somewhere yet?
Hudson Price
Yes.
But Freeform is also getting Marvel shows now
Anthony Murphy
Do Netflix shows ever get leaked?
I don't even think this show releases for another week or so.
Liam Anderson
So the criticism is that it has nothing to do with marvel unvierse (thank fucking god) and that it's 12 episodes long ?
Connor Gray
It's friday
Luis Moore
DD S1 was great with the 13 episode format
Daniel Anderson
what? OP says it reminds the person of some shitty CBS show and that the CBS show did the same material better. The Punisher is a bust.
Kevin Howard
Who cares what a bunch of bloggers think?
Ryder Bennett
>reading reviews written by numales
Luis Bennett
numales are the critics now and they have hold shit like this hostage now.
Levi Bennett
Eh, I enjoyed iron fist for what it was so I'll probably like this . Same with like cage. Hated jj tho.
Jayden Lopez
>caring about what comicbookmovie.com critics think and what the show remind them off
Matthew Reyes
>can't even create an interesting show with all the source material available >resort to copying CBS' 957th generic cop show in row can't wait for the endless scenes of law enforcement standing around going durrr who Punisher? DA and mayor on ass
Josiah Thomas
>battling shadowy enemies in the military-industrial complex wow very punisher
no criminals, just a man fighting the system! THE REAL CRIMINALS
fucksake
Jackson Williams
That sentence is about the series Person of Interest, not about the Punisher. lrn2read
Charles Gomez
>reading comprehension
Christian Robinson
>kill faceless mercenaries instead of shitty criminals, correct? It seems like a needless move not very PC, pontetially very "racist" otherwise
same people who did irish mafia in 2016 when thinking of a criminal menace
Lincoln Edwards
in comparison with that we'll see Castle doing, ie battling shadowy enemies in the military-industrial complex
i mean, at least pull a ennis and connect cia drug trafficking shit (either Nam or Afghanistan) with local crime
Daniel Scott
How is doing Irish mafia more PC than italian mafia you fucking retard
Dominic Rogers
italian mafia would already be pretty pc nowadays since they're barely unexistent. People just use it because that's what was there during the creation of the punisher
putting the irish mafia as your go-to criminal organization today is like pulling the jewish mafia as if it was the 1920s
Nolan Gutierrez
lol you dipshit it literally means the criminals are now paler lmao
that's what i imagine in my head when i think of brutal violent criminality that begs for a correction: gingers
Noah Bailey
Taxation is theft on a scale higher than any street thug
Justin Reed
>t. libertarian who never leaves his house
Ethan Butler
your point is absolutely fucking pointless because nuPunisher is battling muh cia and muh gubment because it's trendy
youtube.com/watch?v=bWpK0wsnitc fuck the current political climate, this is the best Punisher there is, just dispensing street justice and unapologetic edge
