You all know why, right?

You all know why, right?

No one likes your ambiguity. Try again.

because sauron could shapeshift into an eagle and steal the ring

Share it.

Flying the ring to Mordor was pointless because all it would have done is save time. Time wasn't a factor for the Fellowship and if it had been they wouldn't have dragged their feet leaving Rivendell or have taken a month's vacation in Lothlorien. They would have sailed or at least have taken horses. The reason the Fellowship walked was to avoid detection. If not for Aragorn goading him on with the Palantir Sauron would not have attacked Minas Tirith when he did, he was still biding his time. The Fellowship's mission wasn't a race against the clock. Hell almost two decades passed between Bilbo's birthday party at the start of the story and Frodo leaving the Shire.

Stealth was what mattered. The only chance the Fellowship depended on the fact that Sauron did not believe his enemies would try to destroy his ring. He never even considered that they'd try. He believed (correctly, as it turns out) that no one could ultimately resist the ring, especially not in the forge where its power was strongest.

If the eagles would have taken the ring to mordor, the whole issue would be resolved in, i dunno, hours? So what you're saying is completely irrelevant.

Why didn't the Eagles just take some lava from Mt. Doom and bring it to the Shire?

If they can't handle the lava, use magic. Wizards have telekinetic powers. The Eagles can carry Gandalf over the lava, and then he can telekinetically grab and hold onto a blob of lava, and then they can all go back to the Shire and douse the Ring with the lava.

Except Sauron would have seen them coming. He can control the weather, make Mount Doom erupt at will, and control/paralyze minds weaker than his own (pretty much all of them, what with him being a god). He also had eyries full of fell beasts, he'd been breeding them for ages.

Furthermore the eagles would have been susceptible to the ring's influence, the ring's corrupting influence gets exponentially stronger the closer you are to the forge, the ring couldn't simply have been dropped into the caldera, and Sauron had an entire army encamped around Mount Doom, blocking the entrance to the forge. Landing at the entrance would definitely put one in bow range.

The ring couldn't just be melted in lava. If it were that easy Sam and Frodo would have just walked up to the nearest lava flow and tossed it in. The ring had to be unmade where it was made, in the forge. Unless you were standing in the spot where Sauron created the damn thing the ring was indestructible.

You're taking lava from Mt. Doom, that should be sufficient.

No amount of lava would destroy the ring outside of the forge where it was made, wherever the lava came from.

The Ring was inside the Forge and that was not sufficient. It's clear that lava sourced from Mt. Doom is the factor needed to destroy the Ring. You can't just add on an extra requirement, otherwise the solution for Sauron is as simple as destroying the forge, rendering the lava moot. Tolkien would be offended.

>the ring couldn't simply have been dropped into the caldera

This is extremely important, by the way. The idea that eagles could have been used as transportation is more or less predicated on it.

>The Ring was inside the Forge and that was not sufficient.

Except it was because that's how it was destroyed?

>You can't just add on an extra requirement

Tolkien created the requirement that it had to be in the forge. This is said explicitly during the council of Elrond. Jackson didn't even leave that part out of his adaptations, I don't see what the confusion here is.

Is the lava part of the forge or not?

If so, any lava you remove can be used to destroy the ring.

If not, it creates a plot hole as all the lava could be removed and the Ring becomes indestructible.

>a plank is a boat

>a boat only floats in the pacific but not the atlantic

>Is the lava part of the forge or not?

Uh, no? There's lava in the forge.

So you take the lava a meter out of the forge and it can't destroy the Ring anymore? What magical property defines the dimensions of what constitutes the "forge" space wherein the Ring can be destroyed? After all, volcanoes are connected to the interior of the Earth. Where does this "forge" end, and for what reason?

The forge is the area within the volcano where Sauron did his forging and ringcrafting. It's the locus of his magical power. There's a name for it, though I can't remember what it is. But it was within that space the ring was made and it was only there it could be unmade. Because magic.

not my point soyboy, a plank isnt a boat and a little bit of lava isnt the forge the ring was created in

What defines this area? Do we know the exact dimensions of this space?

>What defines this area?

It's the area where Sauron's magical workstation was.

>Do we know the exact dimensions of this space?

No, but we know it's a room in the interior of Mount Doom. The lava there heated the forge, as opposed to wood or coal or something.

60 feet long and 36 feet wide, or 2,160 square feet

Thank you, this is all that had to be said.

Actually it was 50 cubits by 36,000 decimeters.

Super important. People think the eagles could just fly over the volcano and drop it in. It doesn't work like that. It had to be put in the forge itself. Sauron would have figured out in about 3 seconds and killed the shit out of all of them no problem.

>make the ring grow to the size equivalent to all your monetary assets in gold
>trade all your assets for the ring
>reduce the ring to the size of an atom of gold
>pay the taxes for one atom of gold
>make the ring grow back to your assets' size
>trade it back

perfect tax evasion

what?

what?

>trade all assets for the ring
>then trade the ring for all your assets back
I grant you that you evaded taxes but you're at your starting point

Any supposed plot holes in LotR are the results of Jackson's fuckery.

>Why not make the ghosts attack Mordor?
>Why did Elrond not push Isilidur in the lava?
>Why didn't Sam get caught by ringwraiths when he wore the ring in Cirith Ungol?

All Jackson. And no one actually asks about the last one but it seriously bothers me.

cirith ungol acts as a faraday cage

Actually it's because the ring doesn't emit a magical GPS signal when someone puts it on.

And Elrond didn't push Isildur in because he never took him to the forge, and if he had they would have ended up fighting for the ring.

And the ghosts never showed up to the battle of Pelennor Fields and it wouldn't have mattered if they had because, being ghosts, they're incorporeal and can't actually harm anyone physically.

Also Jackson left out merry Tom, Tom a bomb, Tom Bombadilo.