I finally understand what is wrong with the martha scene. Forget the execution...

I finally understand what is wrong with the martha scene. Forget the execution, the concept of batman consciously deciding to stop fighting superman because he also has someone he cares about is stupid, but thats the thing, it shouldnt have been a conscious decision, it would have worked better if batman broke down and got into fetal position in a corner and started crying, or something along those lines, make him stop acting rationally and become unhinged.

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you sound like a soy boy brainlet ubercuck

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>DCucks believe bvs is kino

>Forget the execution

You actually can't, there are two movies full of that nonsense, Clark's father willingly decided to kill himself to teach his son a lesson, Clark not wanting to fight a fat truck driver (who wanted to kick the shit out of someone who was hench as fuck) just to get out and causing thousands of dollars of damage like a litte baby, Superman hearing Lois breathing from the other side of the planet but not hearing his mother crying for help, Lois popping out from nowhere, Luthor's plan, it's so bizarrely written

I meant that even if the execution was good, it would have been stupid

>Clark's father willingly decided to kill himself to teach his son a lesson

He didn't know he was going to die, he just didn't want Clark to expose himself saving him.

> Clark not wanting to fight a fat truck driver (who wanted to kick the shit out of someone who was hench as fuck) just to get out and causing thousands of dollars of damage like a litte baby,

Snyder even says this was a mistake on Clark's part. He is allowed to make mistakes on his journey to discovering who he is. But he definitely should not have fought him you idiot. Also trucks and electric poles are both insured heavily (since they are both owned by private companies). If anything this is a big pay day to everyone invovled. Again, you're dumb.


> Superman hearing Lois breathing from the other side of the planet but not hearing his mother crying for help

How are you so retarded? He was actively watching Lois from up high, hence why he comes down out of the sky when the missles, and are launched, and only decided to intervence with the geneva convention was broken. If you knew shit about the character you would know he doesn't interfere in normal, human political situations/wars.

> Lois popping out from nowhere

They literally show her getting a helicopter and going to the fight.


>Luthor's plan

Literally nothing wrong with it. His goal is to discredit the god image of Superman among a portion of the public. He has multiple redundencies and ways of doing this all working at once.


You dumb as fuck.

Lmao stopped reading on the first line! A tornado won’t kill me! Lol

>He didn't know he was going to die, he just didn't want Clark to expose himself saving him.
yes a tornado the natural event thats caused actually disasters many times before. I a human man cannot possibly see the repercussions of walking head on into winds moving fast enough to rip trees straight out of the ground as fatal.

Are you Chris Cuckman by any chance?

>Everyone who ever comes into contact with a tornado instantly dies all the time.

Wow, you're retarded. You know there were a bunch of other people there that didn't die right? You ever been in a tornado? I have, and I can tell you its pretty unpredictable when the wind is going to pick up.


> I a human man cannot possibly see the repercussions of walking head on into winds moving fast enough to rip trees straight out of the ground as fatal.

Of course he knew there was a high possibility he was going to die, but in that very moment he didn't "willingly decided to kill himself to teach his son a lesson"

He went in to save a dog, and when the wind started to pick up he told his son to not expose himself. He didn't KNOW he was going to die and just let it happen.

Also

>the rest of your points go so BTFO you have to argue with the one point you're too retarded to read correctly


LMAO

DC sucks. Always has, always will.

Why do you DCucks debate about that fact for years one end? How much of your lives have you wasted on these horrible films?

Fucking losers, the lot of you.

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>the concept of batman consciously deciding to stop fighting superman because he also has someone he cares about is stupid,


But that isn't what he realizes at all. He realizes that Superman has a normal human family and is more or less just a normal guy with powers and not a detached alien demi-god. Its not JUST that "he has someone he cares about."


God you really are a fucking brainlet. How do you miss this when its so fucking obvious. Batman even TALKS about how he thinks Superman's parents are aliens that told him he was special and shit. It couldn't be any more obvious.

So what will your next buzzword be once this one gets worn out in two months?

>Wow, you're retarded. You know there were a bunch of other people there that didn't die right? You ever been in a tornado? I have, and I can tell you its pretty unpredictable when the wind is going to pick up.
did you willing choose to walk into one, and even so why if he was sure he would live would a younger more fit clark not be able to also live and not expose himself

He willingly walked right into a tornado. It's not the same as getting hit by one and going into your cellar or something. Doing that for a dog is especially retarded.

That's the thing even the most depraved people have families. That doesn't make them nice people.

>He willingly walked right into a tornado
>did you willing choose to walk into one

He willing chose to save a trapped dog. He wasn't even considering the dangers. I bet you've never been in a situation like this. Sometimes your fight or flight insticts take over and he chose fight.

>and even so why if he was sure he would live
He wasnt. The thought didnt even cross his mind. You seem to not understand this idea of saving something and not autistically calculating whether or not you are going to die first. The whole point of being a hero is you put the saving first. Maybe superheroes arent for you.

> would a younger more fit clark not be able to also live and not expose himself

Clark was holding the baby. They both knew the winds were picking up right then. Did Pa Kent know, before going in, the winds would pick up right after saving the dog? No he didnt. That is what I mean. He didnt just CHOOSE to let himself die. But once he had saved the dog he did realize the winds have gained force and would blow him away, probably killing him, and the only way for Clark to save him would be to use SOME kind of super power (even if it was just super strength to keep him grounded).


>Doing that for a dog is especially retarded.
So Superman just isn't even for you then. The entire point is to save all innocent life. You're a sociopath if you don't consider a dog life worth saving.
This is the very definition of autistically nitpicking. Tornados are pretty unpredictable, but you guys expect every character to be 100% analyzing every single move to be the most logical and give the most net gains, when its a scene based on emotion and doing whats right.

How are you so retarded? Batman never thought of Superman as depraved. All Superman does is save people. BUT Batman saw Superman as a detached alien who could flip at any moment, and whose very presence was causing more harm than good.


But seeing that he had a normal human family and was basically a normal guy with extrodinary powers, the detached part went away in Batman's mind. Later he realizes that most of the "bad" caused by Superman's presence was just a result of Luthor's machinations or completely out of Superman's control (like Zod).


Stop projecting a motivation that was never there.

>missing Batman's actual fear this hard


How do you live being so, amazingly, stupid?

>Luthor's plan to discredit the god image of Superman involved creating a super saiyan cave troll only Superman could have a hope to do anything against
Great plan.
Let's assume Doomsday killed Superman without dying in the process.
What then for Lex Luthor?
He, or anyone else for that matter, can't do anything against Doomsday, who is pretty much just rampaging with no discretion.
Did him discrediting Superman come at the price of global armageddon?
What a genius fucking plan.

I never said Batman saw Superman as depraved you retard. I just said that to make a point having a family doesn't mean you're a good person. Learn how to read.

Obviously if he cares about someone then he has a family, you just stated obvious things

His fear was that this all powerful alien could go apeshit at any moment and wreck everything.

Now how does that alien having a family mean he wouldn't necessarily do that? A family doesn't necessarily say much about you.

I bet you read marvel comics

How are you STILL being this dumb? It was never about whether or not Superman was a good person in Batman's eyes. Stop projecting this false narrative and thinking it has anything to do with anything.

Batman didn't suddenly realize Superman was a good person. He realized Superman was a person period.

are you retarded? so what if he has a human family? that doesnt mean he is a normal, not detached guy

>What then for Lex Luthor?
>He, or anyone else for that matter, can't do anything against Doomsday, who is pretty much just rampaging with no discretion.


Jesus christ, you just get stupider with every comment. We have SEEN he has access to a bunch of kryptonite. We SAW the giant rock he found and we saw that he only gave Batman a small portion of it. We also saw that he had a a whole arsenal of kryptonite based weapons he wanted to sell to the government.

He thought of Superman as being totally alien
>literally too stupid to understand a comic book movie
Holy shit this is fucking embarrassing

>He realized Superman was a person period.
How does this realization alleviate Batman's fears of Superman going on a murder rampage?

All deranged, crazy people have families, that fact doesnt mean superman isnt one.

>He willing chose to save a trapped dog. He wasn't even considering the dangers. I bet you've never been in a situation like this. Sometimes your fight or flight insticts take over and he chose fight.
he told clark to stay twice and clark did he clearly knew something which would have ended any normals person's life would happen and if clark went and lived through it things would've been fishy, so he willing killed himself in front of his family which includes a super powered alien to show the value and risk of saving an innocent life. If thats the case why wouldnt clark risk his secret and save two innocent lives

Again you're misreading. The point is that being a person wouldn't change shit since he cans till go apeshit. And having a family doesn't mean that he wouldn't go apeshit, so why would he choose to spare him just because he's a person when Batman himself has dealt with actual people that would easily wreck everything if they could?

>Obviously if he cares about someone then he has a family


LMAO, what? I know plenty of people with significant others or boyfriends/girlfriends/friends that don't have families.


And once again, it was never about whether he cared about someone or even had a family. Batman even makes a statement about how his alien family told him he was special. It was that he had a HUMAN family and was basically a normal dude (outside of the powers) with a normal family.


Next time try using more than one brain cell before typing out a comment.

even aliens have mothers, no being on this universe doesnt have a predecesor

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>has human GF that cares about him
>has a human mother that he cares about
I have a question: what movie hasn't confused you?

Kryptonians didn't have mothers they were born in some egg machine (except for Superman)

so what if his family is human? they dont need to be alien to raise a deranged son who thinks he is special

What are you trying to say dumb dumb?

Tell that to Zod's snapped neck

ITT: marvel Pakis getting BTFO

but doomsday cant be hurt the same way twice thats his strength if kryptonite was his ultimate weakness anyone could kill him you need to hurt him a different way each time cause he becomes more and more resilient a kryptonite knife would only work once. So yes lex's plan did risk the entirety of the world on the off chance superman would kamikaze doomsday

charles manson also had people who cared about him.

His fear was that this all powerful alien could go apeshit at any moment and wreck everything DUE to the fact that he was a detached demi-god with little to no actual ties to humanity.

>Now how does that alien having a family mean he wouldn't necessarily do that

Batman didn't doubt he had a family, he just thought it was an alien family. He even mentions this IN their final fight, how in his mind Superman's family taught him he was super special.

It was seeing that he had a human family, and that Superman was just like any other person. He wasn't the detached alien he thought he was. He has a normal family and works a normal job and STILL chooses to go out and save people in his spare time.

Meanwhile Bruce, on his quest to save people, lost every shred of normal and everything even resembling a family.

He realized Superman was way more anchored than he was.

Manson didn't care about anyone though. (Also didn't go around saving people)

batman didnt care that he didnt save people, it could have been just a ruse, and many crazy people care about people

Becuase his fears are based off an idea that Superman is a detatched alien demi-god with no human anchors.

Once he realizes he basically had a normal human life, he also realizes that just like any other human he wouldnt suddenly flip out for no reason unless he went crazy.

Also he has a great track record of saving people for no reason and expecting no thanks in return. Basically Batman's entire fear revolved around this premise that Superman was a detatched alien.


How are you guys so stupid you can't even put this simple shit together?

>Superman faked saving people
>sociopaths care about people

the only reason Batman thinks it might be a ruse is because he assumes he is a detatched alien. Once he realizes he isn't, he has almost no reason to suspect it being a ruse.


Now stop being dumb. I feel like I'm losing IQ points reading your posts.

humans can also flip out and be detached and have no human anchors

i was a ruse that he had a mother....

>but doomsday cant be hurt the same way twice thats his strength

Not this version of Doomsday you retard. This version of Doomsday was explicitly shown to be weak to kryptonite.

>you need to hurt him a different way each time


Only in the comics. This version of Doomsday just has a weakness to kryptonite.


You thought you were being smart, but really ou managed to be even stupider.

>superheroes are supposed to save people
>except when Clark could have saved his dad

Maybe it was all Batman's dream and Superman never existed
Ever think about that?

>If thats the case why wouldnt clark risk his secret and save two innocent lives

Because Pa Kent was a smart man who basically predicted all the strife and turmoil in BvS. If Clark had revealed himself then, it would have caused all the political bullshit that happened in BvS but with a much less experienced/mature Clark. Pa Kent was trying to do the most possible good in his situation.


Also if you watched the movies, you would realize Clark constantly regrets not saving his dad anyway, and it is the impetus for his whole journey across america.

Again, having a human family doesn't mean he isn't capable of going apeshit. Especially one with Superman's powers. Batman should know this, he fights detached humans on the daily.

the fact that superman saved people before has no effect on this situation, now, batman was afraid that superman was a deranged person who had been raised as a god, that doesnt change at all once we learn that he has a mother who he cares about, which may not even be true. is it clear DCucks?

It would have made more sense if Superman spent the entire fight trying to stop the fight and explain to Bruce that Lex Luthor had kidnapped his mother and that she was IN DANGER RIGHT THE FUCK NOW. He only finally manages to get the message out just as bruce is about to plunge that dumb ass krypto spear into his chest as he lies there all weak and shit. Bats, being all about saving the innocent and not murdering hundreds of people with guns and a fucking spear, realizes that they need to help her and take out Lex. THEN, realizing his plan has failed and two angry momma's boys are coming to plug his ass with their collective size 23 boot, Lex dons his reverse engineered kryptonian mech suit with its kryptonite heart. The fight is long and carries them all the way to the airport where their presence grounds the flights, prompting anorexic Wonder Woman to step in and assist.

But Batman's fear comes from him thinking Superman is a detatched alien with detatched alien parents.

Its like if someone is afraid of the dark and they imagine monsters. Turning on the lights doesnt actually negate the chance of there being monsters, but the monsters are just a manifestation of the fear of the dark.


Also Superman had a track record of saving people all the time. Batman thought that shit was a ruse because Superman was a detatched alien man. Once he finds out he is just a normal dude with powers he also realizes that the saving people wasnt a ruse.

>Batman v Superman
>remember the actual Batman v Superman fight

Y'know maybe its not all shit

>DCucks defending a shit movie made by a hack

It's one thing to not understand a movie.
It's a whole new level of dumb to not understand that user's argument.

every version is weak to kryptonite the first time their exposed to it after that they can handle it more and more until its no longer a threat thats all versions of the character thats always been a thing

>detached alien with detached alien parents isnt the same as detached alien with detached human parents.
WHAT?

Again, Batman's fear of Superman going capeshit comes from him thinking of Superman as a detatched alien.


Superman saves poeple on the daily, and like you said Batman interacts with crazy people all the time (who don't save people on the daily).


Once he realizes that Superman had a relatively normal human life and family, he also realized that his saving people was genuine and that Superman did not act like the crazy people he fights on the daily.


Thanks for helping prove my point.

he wasnt even mature in BvS his mom is about to die and he couldnt calm down one weak spurgy manchild to save her, yeah real mature

>humans can also flip out and be detached and have no human anchors

But this was explicitly showing that he had at least two, Lois and his mother.


>i was a ruse that he had a mother....
But Lois (whom Batman's own dream told him was the key) confirms he had a mother.

Not this version.

And Clark regrets it. Hence why he goes on his spirit journey to find himself. Its like you didnt even watch the movie.

shown to the audience, not to batman

this is just bad bait. But regardless, he was more mature than he was during the tornado scene.

How did I prove you're point? Batman saw Superman wreck Metropolis while saving people, which is what made him scared. If anything he should till be scared just because of how powerful Superman is even if still thinks he's a person.

My point is that even if he doesn't think of him as a detached alien thinking of him as a god-like human should still scare him, even if he acts like a person. Him being a person shouldn't be enough to change his mind.

>the fact that superman saved people before has no effect on this situation

It actually does.

>that doesnt change at all once we learn that he has a mother who he cares about,

It actually does, especcially since she is just a normal mother. On top of that, Bruce knows Lois is a normal person and would know that she wouldn't care about a deranged demi-god.

>which may not even be true

Lois, the very person Batman's own dream told him was the key, confirms it to be true.

That wasn't Doomsday though. It was a pumped up Zod clone that the lazy writers named Doomsday.

You're not getting it.
I'm not critiquing Clark's character, but John's.

Way to just completely misunderstand the point entirely, you absolute retard.


>Superman had a track record of saving people all the time. Batman thought that shit was a ruse because Superman was a detatched alien man. Once he finds out he is just a normal dude with powers he also realizes that the saving people wasnt a ruse.


He has Superman under his foot BEGGING Batman to save his human mother. And THEN he sees Lois, a person he knows, caring for Superman like he is a normal person. If a person isnt completely autistic like you, its pretty easy to see that Superman isn't a detatched alien and has human connections and relatively normal human values.

>It actually does.
no it doesnt, batman was still gonna kill him if sups didnt talk.

>It actually does, especcially since she is just a normal mother.
batman doesnt know this until after deciding to not kill him

>Lois, the very person Batman's own dream told him was the key, confirms it to be true.
>a dream told him so it must be true

not an argument

They also could have stuck to the fucking source material.
youtube.com/watch?v=4irjwnHqaHI

To be fair he has no argument after it's been explained 100x already

> Him being a person shouldn't be enough to change his mind.

It wasn't entirely, but it was enough for him to realize that he shouldnt be trying to kill him for something he MIGHT do.

The Batman v Superman fight made him realize Superman was a man.


It was Superman sacrificing himself TWICE in the fight with Doomsday that made him realize Superman was a good man.

>Batman didn't know all this shit beforehand, despite being Batman
How very convenient.

>inb4 Bruce is mentally ill

No, it was shown to Batman too.

The point is he DIDNT find out he was a normal dude. having a human mother doesnt mean you are a normal dude. and he knew that people cared about superman before deciding to kill him

batman saved martha after deciding to not kill sups

But it made 100% sense for Pa Kent to go save that dog without realizing the consequences until it was too late. And it also made 100% sense for him to not want his son to reveal himself, and to protect the baby in his arms, so as to avoid the political and religious ramifications.

Again, this John is all about doing the most possible good. And in that situation where he realized the tornado was going to whip him away, he 100% made a decision that fell in line with that.

I still fail to understand why they don't just use established and well loved comic arcs AS FUCKING STORYBOARD WHEN MAKING THE GODDAMNED ADAPTATION. ITS RIGHT THERE, AND YOU ALREADY KNOW WE LOVE IT. JUST FUCKING MAKE THAT.

>oh wow I just realized I turned into the man who killed my parents all those years ago
>oh wow this alien actually has a human family that he cares about
>oh wow his mothers name is the same as my mothers name, maybe we have more in common than I thought
REEEEEEEEE I DONT GET IT.

>Forget the execution,
Is that how snyderfags convinced themselves that Zack is a good director and that his movies are good?

Most comic book movies don't follow the comics at all to be fair

yes

Nobody doesn't get it. They just think it's poorly done.
Get with it.

I know, it's a fact.

>no it doesnt, batman was still gonna kill him if sups didnt talk.

It actually does, because once Batman realizes Superman is human, those acts of heroism become legitimate in his mind and not just a ruse. Sorry if this is too complicated for you to comperhend you idiot.

>batman doesnt know this until after deciding to not kill him

He does know this since a) Superman is begging him to save her (which implies she doesn't have powers like him), b) she has a normal human name, and c) a normal human like Lois says its his mother, and her idea of a mother is defined by her normal human life.


Its amazing how dumb you are. Truly astounding.


>a dream told him so it must be true

Lol, this is superhero comics my dude. He had a dream that mentioned a very specific reporter in relation to Superman. He would be absolutely retarded to not listen, at least for a second, when that one specific reproter comes onto the scene when he is just about to kill Superman.


Batman lives in a world with confirmed magic and super powered aliens. Why wouldn't a magic dream be legit?

Maybe superheroes are too compilcated for you.

Yes but we are talking about a Zack Snyder "movie" here...

>he knew that people cared about superman before deciding to kill him

No he didn't. He did not know that any normal humans cared for him in such a way.


>The point is he DIDNT find out he was a normal dude

But he did.

Theres some weird cutting in that film, even in the extended edition.

>Lois gets thrown in the back of a van, cut, she's in a helicopter.

If you aren't a millennial with ADD, its impossible to follow.

humans also lie and make ruses, she may be a normal human, that doesnt mean she isnt crazy too, how did he even know that lois was lois. just because it is capeshit, it doesnt give it the right to have dreams be reality

yes he did, people loved superman like a god, do you think batman didnt know this?

>We have SEEN he has access to a bunch of kryptonite. We SAW the giant rock he found and we saw that he only gave Batman a small portion of it.
This is your headcanon, delusional snyder apologist