Is there even gonna be a season 2? The ending implied Frank didn't want to, and with all the Americans shooting each other 24/7, this series is always going to be controversial, especially if they go down the MAX route, which is just Frank shooting "gangsta's" and scumbags on the streets.
Also, will we ever get Barracuda considering how much of a nig stereotype he was?
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maybe. if the current mass shootings weren't enough to stop production i don't see them stopping it in the future. Punisher has been controversial since it's inception.
The writers don't seem committed to allowing Frank to be anything other than a vet struggling with PTSD using violence as a catharsis for his grief. That's not Frank. That's not the Punisher. He's not some character looking for redemption or someone who behaves in an altruistic manner. He's a psychopath who was shooting jaywalkers at one point. The final episode ending with him sitting in on the vets group a week after his face was plastered all over the news as being a wanted killer was flat out retarded.
So long as the mouse doesn't pull out and they draw in people they'll keep making them. I never followed the Punisher comics so I don't really know any arc or character from another though (it doesn't help that his enemies tend to actually stay dead)
13 hours of shootouts would be jarring as fuck, so you kind of have to put some sort of story there that's more than just killing some gang members. I think the reoccurring problem with a lot of these netflix series is they really don't need all that time. With the Punisher in particular he's kind of like the Hulk in that he's at his best when the story isn't really about him or his history and he can just be a force of nature
It's not about there being endless shootouts. It's about the fact that they can't even get a basic grasp of the character their show is supposed to be about.
They should be forced to read the MAX runs back to back until they know the words by memory.
They mixed brutal violence with side stories that didn't get boring perfectly.
Also, I want a Nick Fury that fucks hookers and beats military guys with his belt when they don't listen to him.
not enough punishing and The Punisher Season 2: Frankie Goes to Chiraq will never happen.
Did you miss the fucking part where he creates Jigsaw?
Even if Frank is "done," season 2 will be a gigantic revenge shitstorm by Russo that forces Frank to do something.
>They should be forced to read the MAX runs back to back until they know the words by memory.
This is now the third live action Punisher in a row that has acknowledged Ennis' run in the most superficial way possible. It's incredibly frustrating.
If you would have told me Marvel and DC would release a thing at the exact same week and DC's was actually better I would have pissed all over yo mommas flowers.
Good thing they didn't.
It’s a shame the black guy from green mile died, he would have been a good Barracuda
The most annoying thing was that we saw him put on the skull on DD S2, then he burned it in the first episode of his own goddamn show, so we could get a proper Punisher origin story or some shit, then he puts on the skull for 5 minutes and at the end takes it off again.
If a season 2 happens, I hope he gets the skull on the first goddamn episode and wears it though the show, like the character he's supposed to be.
These Netflix shows are becoming more and more ashamed of the fact that they are comic adaptations and they're worse for it.
You really gotta get over the comic book autism m8. You don't need the skull vest for the punisher to be the punisher.
I was just flicking through the Barracuda story and thought the exact same.
The show doesn't have any punishing, doesn't have any killing gangsters, his origin is different, I mean, the only thing that could resemble the source material is the costume. I do understand that an adaptation can be very different to the source material, but at this point this show is The Punisher only because Netflix says so.
I like Barracuda’s own series. I know punisher villains tend to get killed, but that’s one fucker that would be fun to keep around.
It's kind of a part of his character though, it's a symbol that says "you're fucked"
Plus it just looks cool.
you're right
captain ameria doesn't need his shield either
and wolverine? ditch the claws. too unrealistic. just have him hold butter knives between his fingers.
>Frank wasting thugs in a trench coat with the skull for 5 minutes
>burns the vest and goes after a military conspiracy
>this is "The Punisher"
if you mean you wish he would have kept the vest on the whole show, sure i get that.
but it didn't fit the story. at the beginning he thought everyone involved in his families murder was dead. the general populace thought castle and the punisher were dead. so it makes sense since he was trying to go back to a normal life.
once he knew that there was more people involved he couldn't wear the suit because he was still finding out information and getting guns and gear together. so he needed to stay on the down low.
once he was ready to get punisher mode he had the skull on but the cia and nsa getting him a new identity have him a reason to put the skull back down and try again at a normal life. which i guess the audience knows he won't be able to.
season 2 probably gets him in a suit a lot faster and by season 3 i'm guessing he's not taking it off at all.
but also he still get a lot of punisher stuff done without the skull.
With no skull its a fucking death wish knock off.
I would kill to see a good movie about Punisher MAX where a portion is him in Vietnam
I could dig this, but only if they get Ray Stevenson back to play Frank.
As much as I like the punisher, Marvel clearly has a normie formula they follow where every character has to appeal to normies more than comic fans so you'll never get the punisher you want ever. AKA this youtube.com
No, faggot. Your analogy applies to the tools used, and Frank still shoots people all the time.
Remind me which X-Men/Wolverine movie was it where Logan wore the blue and yellow or yellow and brown costume?
This show is like Homeland if Quinn was the lead
I hope Midani returns and has a central focus, kinda like she’s Furiosa and Frank is her above the law mad max
My gripe is with what that represents. We've had 17 episodes about Frank coming to terms with his dead family and for him to become the Punisher and that still hasn't happened. We saw his saying goodbye to his wife in his mind, but then goes back to being a vet with ptsd. I don't want to sit through another 13 episodes of the same shit for him to finally accept his fate as the Punisher.
I think you mean she was sexy as fuck and she needs to be in it again because Karen is old news.
Was there any mention of daredevil or any of the other freaks running around NY?
they ended with him saying the war is over so I don't see a point for season 2
I thought that they could have done without the PTSD soldier stuff, that stuff could have been removed and the episodes condensed a little more and it'd be a lot better.
The last four episodes of the show were great.
I'm definitely sure now that they've finally laid out all the foundation. they can have him going around the country punishing those that need to be punished.
They definitely acknowledged that he loved the war over everything else. That stuff at the end won't stop him.
he should've kissed Karen in the elevator
also what was the point of lewis?
The war is never really over though.
Lewis was a foil. Although he wasn't really needed. All that stuff could have been removed and probably made the series a lot stronger.
>Kiss Karen
No, that's stupid, isn't Frank supposed to be a mega macho who will not get with any woman after his wife got killed? I don't know but I really don't want Bernthal's Punisher to be romantically involved with anyone
but for him it is, he got his revenge what does he left to fight for? I guess if someone goes after karen he would but why would someone go after her
>Frank shooting "gangsta's" and scumbags on the streets.
>Barracuda
Netflix producer: Like OMG! That's like so problematic. So, instead of being like a racist, can't he just kill all the Nazis and republicans and like whatever?
well they made it pretty obvious he loves her in some way
Are you retards ignoring that he creates his nemesis in the final episode?
You think ruining Russo's face and cutting to him all bandaged up in the hospital was meaningless fluff?
I like to think it's a father-daughter relationship
They did it because you have to have jigsaw in a punisher series, but what are they gonna do? Have 13 episodes of them going 1v1 in different locations?
Karen is not helpless enough to be a daughter figure for him
I mean, Frank Castle goes after a lot of stuff, Cartels, Kitchen Irish, all that shit. There's enough for writers to pull out bad guys who want revenge and shut without even including Russo
I was hoping Russo would end up in jail and he and Kingpin would have a few words. I don't follow the Punisher enough to remember who the fuck Jigsaw is, but that Max series was one of the few Punisher stories I've read that were worth reading.
They also set up the Gnucci family and had Frank execute a bunch of their high-level guys at the poker game, so there's that, too.
But yes, there could be a multi-episode arc where Frank's shit gets fucked and whoever he cares about at the moment gets kidnapped or something and it's Jigsaw doing it all.
wait are there plans for season 2 or is are we all assuming that?
Assuming it does better than iron fist, it should get a second season
>"Well well well....Frank.... you call yourself The Punisher, huh? Well then I am... THE JIGSAW"
Really? jesus christ
>whoever he cares about at the moment gets kidnapped or something
I have a better idea. Castle hunts down and kills drug dealers and child molesters, because they are drug dealers and child molesters. Castle starts acting like the Punisher again. Wouldn't that be a sight.
That's really really lame if you think about it for a second, maybe introduce the show with a scene where's he's doing good old "Punishing" and recreate that scene where he kills the pedo parents, but that's it
I have a better idea, how about the hero fights a villain because the edgy "frank castle in the real world" style stories are fucking dogshit for 13 year olds and the stuff where he fights bullseye or taskmaster is the only stuff that matters.
how the fuck frank survives all the shit that happened to him
Karen is the worst part of any Netflix Marvel show
So he’s fighting black lives matters supporters? Goddamn that’s a risky move, Netflix
he's too angry to die
Just make everyone happy and adapt Slavers
Only thing is the woman getting beat against the glass, but they could keep it and use the controversy it makes as free advertising.
no that would be foggy followed by elektra in daredevil
it's iconography you deliberately obtuse autist
>They should be forced to read the MAX runs back to back until they know the words by memory.
fucking this
i kept waiting for some of frank's internal monologue, at least as an aside here or there
his internal conflicts as a character were hardly explored
You people are the problem. It's obvious that you hate the Punisher. Why do you watch? It's obvious that Netflix hates the Punisher. Why did they choose to make a Punisher series? You think you can create a better character than 30 years of comic books. You can't. Picture related.
>edgy
People that use that word are always the biggest pussies on the internet. It never fails.
that happened 2 minutes in to the first episode and never again
fucking trigerred Sup Forumstard
>fighting black lives matters supporters
I would watch the shit out of that.
I can imagine you throwing an autistic tantrum, running around your room, after some stupid line of dialogue
Fucking faggot, get some help for your autism, who gets so worked up over that shit, it's literally just a piece of dialogue that lasts 2 seconds
>he can just be a force of nature
That's why the series sucked ass. He barely does any punishing in all 13 episodes. The only major one was during the assault on Micro's base. That's one episode out of 13. They even made his supposedly badass moment during his time in the Marines boring as fuck.
>never again
Always again. She was the main character, you faggot. She got more screen time than Castle. Not like Castle was doing anything interesting for the first two episodes.
>hate the punisher
You mean the retarded man who was tricked into believing Spider-man was a villain when a green monster man mad scientist told him as much?
No, I love the Punisher, he's a crazy man who shoots villains. I hate you, and I hate Garth Ennis, and I hate the other faggots who want to make Frank into a fucking grimdark shithead who wants to cum all over his arsenal of guns.
You're a faggot.
so? she wasn't being an abnoxious sjw for the rest of the show you faggot
go praise kek and relax kid
>so?
"So" everything, retard. When the Punisher isn't the main character of the "Punisher" show, it means something is seriously wrong. When over half of a Punisher show is about boring office politics starring characters nobody cares about, it means the show sucks.
I just wish they'd have inner monologue while he was killing dudes, it would be a hell of a lot better than just explicitly showing him and his wife in flashbacks.
>She got more screen time than Castle.
but thats wrong you retard
literally this buttmad over nothing
Inner monologue is generally really easy to fuck-up.
>a detective chick was a major character
>sjw agenda!
Except remember how she got manipulated by Billy Russo the whole time, literally and figuratively fucked over, Billy kills her partner, and at the end when she shows up to confront him she gets shot in the fucking head and accomplishes nothing.
Really empowering.
has porn gone too far? I mean, ofc you want nick fury to do that
Stop lying using green text.
>she gets shot in the fucking head and accomplishes nothing
You are a piss poor debater. Are you defending her or bashing her?
>grimdark
Another useless buzzword used by the biggest pussies on the internet. It sounds like you want quips. Just admit it.
please leave
Fury in all of his interactions with Castle = best Fury
Castle is probably one of the few people Fury legitimately respects and fears.
You're a piss poor thinker, aka a retard.
We can't have pedos and thugs getting punished, it'd send a bad message to the young white goyim
no
Yeah but if he moves on then he ain't the Punisher anymore
Ha ha that was terrible. Had a clear shot on the guy and he simply turns and shoots her.
that's what I'm saying, they seem to be going towards him moving on and not being the punisher
these kind of people want elmstreet movies to go full comedy without gore or kills , and saw movies to be misteries without the traps
The show is absolute garbage
That chandelier spin is fucking stupid though.
I'll take funny, over the top action schlock over boring any day of the week. Boring, like government suits bitching at each other in an office, scene after scene after scene.
Agree, the best runs are these where the story follows other more relatable characters, like Soap and Molly for example, and just using Frank for stuff he can do best.
The MAX run is one view of the character. Indeed, Punisher is in all versions a mass murder, but the MAX one turned it into an extreme.
Literally all they had to do was show Frank franking some nigs.
It was the easiest premise in the world, and they fucked it up.
Not him, but for Wolverine it's basically enough to portray him as a loner who is basically immortal, has claws and fights like a berserk, they got at least his hair right and put people on boxes so they look taller than Jackman.
The only thing that keeps steady in every Punisher run is his muscular physique and the skull, you can make his hair like you want, you can hire everyone you want (at least he must look like he lifts), you can even make Punisher into someone who has PTSD (the MAX run is the most famous version, but not the only one, the 80s Punisher is basically 60s James Bond with a skull who gives martial arts lectures at the end of every comic), but at least let him wear his fucking skull and let his family killed in an random shootout in the central park, these are the only things that are steady in almost every version of him (didn't read Punisher Noir tho).
>Punisher kills criminals
>most criminals are blacks/latinos
>better make it about the military so he can kill whities
Almost, he never falls in love, but in the MAX comics he fucks women if they offer him Sex. His body is like a machine and Sex is a thing every human want to do, so Frank fucks hookers or sluts.
In "Welcome Back, Frank" Punisher isn't the main char, Soap and Molly are.
In many of the MAX runs The Punisher only appears when action happens.
In many of the 80s and 90s comics he barely appears at all and only get mentioned until he appears at the end and shoots people.
DD s2 had a better punisher and punisher story. I t's hard to even call this guy the Punisher. I'm sure there will be a s2 but I don't know what they're gonna do.
>i kept waiting for some of frank's internal monologue, at least as an aside here or there
everyone thought about it probably since it's by far the most interesting and intriguing part about him. apart from the inner monologue there's not much that makes frank a compelling character.
same goes for villains.
I mean we had his origin story explained in daredevil s2 so move the fuck on. let him take out the loose ends from that plot and get on with it. let him plow through the gnuccis just for the sake of it or whatever. let some over arching plot from some random bad guy take place but don't make it about frank.
screenwriters are getting more stupid everyday.
Also the Gnucci family was mentioned.