Why did actual communism produced such vast amount of great cinema but liberal democracies produce nothing but trash?

why did actual communism produced such vast amount of great cinema but liberal democracies produce nothing but trash?

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name five great films produced by actual communism

Andrei Rublev
Earth (Zemlya)
The Color of Pomegranates
Letters From a Dead Man
The Cranes Are Flying

>Andrei Rublev
censored by communism.

moving the goalposts

Soviet was renowned for hating artistic freedom and censored a lot of things, maybe this hardship acted as a catalyst for art.

>The Color of Pomegranates

Not great.

Because if they fail they'll end gulag'd

directors and writers didn't have to satisfy the demands of the market when making films

no. it wasn't made by communism, it was made by a man who was censored and persecuted by a communist regime. he would have made more movies had it not been for communism.

pleb

anyways here's 5 more great soviet films:
Alexander Nevsky
The Red Snowball Tree
Debut
Uncle Vanya
We'll Live Till Monday

You only have to know one: ABSOLUTE KINOGRAPHY

Unlikely. Many great directors who created amazing works during the communist era stopped making interesting films in the 90s.

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Sokurov may be the sole exception to this

>Unlikely.
no, he said so himself. he hated the soviet regime for stifling him.

yet the two films he made outside the soviet union lagged behind his previous output (although they're still good)

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Sacrifice did not lag at all.

>he said so himself
Censorship often helps creativity.

none of those are "produced by communism"

Some of them were actively critical of the communist state.

I'd rank it 4th behind Andrei Rublev, Mirror and Stalker, still pretty good. The only ones I felt meh about were Nostalghia and Ivan's Childhood
and no films are produced about actual leaders of liberal democracies or the queen of england. don't be such a dishonest retard dude, you know what we're talking about, if you're gonna sperg about it go back to pol

They are produced under the communist (actually socialist) system.

Considering the state he was in its more forgiveable. In exile away from his son and the illness later on, certainly both Nostalghia and Sacrifice molded into more personal projects than his previous work from the get-go.

meant by, not about

>hurr durr don't be so reductionist about my blanket statement about Western cinema
kill yourself

They had a committee(that's a lot of unnecessary repeating letters, in russian it's just кoмитeт, not a single repeating letter) that reviewed movies and decided if they're actually good and worth a damn, or just trash that should never see the light of day. Not slap a rating and release it anyway. If it has no value, artistic, thematic, philosophical or propagandistic - it's worthless and won't be released to poison the minds. Sometimes it didn't work and actually good movies were axed or barely saved from being axed because censors just didn't get it. But most of the time if was a really good filter. You can really see how much shit USSR would release if they could if you watch some russian movies starting from the early 90s, filter was down, floodgates of shit were open.

yeah i love all those movies that came from communist states other than soviet.

American leftards need to quit jizzing over Communism. Communism stifled the film and art industries of Europe, read Roman Polanski's account of Poland under Communism, it was so bad that we prefer Nazis over Communists. Artists made art in spite of Communism, not because of it.

Why was communism so fucking horrible and pathetic?

Why was it filled with trash nobody cares about?

>watching a series of lectures on Polish cinema
>1960s - 1990s
>new movements, masterpiece after masterpiece, socially important films, battling with the censors
>1990-2012
>excuses
>well, it wasn't easy to produce a film in this new capitalist system, important directors (such as Kieslowski) left the country, Wajda films weren't that good, Poles started copying Western shit such as romantic comedies, gangster films and so on
I think it was similar in other post-Soviet countries.

nah Soviet propaganda films are a hundred times better than Nazishit.

Literally every USSR WW2 movie - is КИHO. There were actors who actually FOUGHT in that war and knew how it was. All these soyboy usa movies about ww2 is kindergarden compared to real war movies.

it wasn't even socialist, it was state capitalist

What are some movies about killing marxists and throwing them out of helicopters and implementing a free market where living standards rapidly increase?

I far from a left-winger yet I count many soviet films between my favorites. Communism is shit but at least the soviets produced a lot of kino. and this guy is right cinema under the nazi regime was pretty forgetable, with a few exceptions you can count in a hand

Is this the same leftypol faggot that posted that commie thread yesterday?

Who preferred the Nazis over communists, you idiot? Poles? Polish Jews? Are you retarded?
Polish film literally died in WW2. The only thing that was produced was German propaganda such as Heimkehr.

>This Nazi propaganda film attempts to justify the invasion of Poland--and thus the start of World War II--by "showing" how the ethnic Germans in Poland were were discriminated against and oppressed by the Poles, and how they were rescued from extinction only by the intervention of the German army.

What's wrong with that?

Russians always produce great art when they're suffering immensely.
Similar shit happened with the czars.
Russians are like vending machines that you insert tyranny into and out comes art.

Nazi propaganda wasn't forgettable, it just gets really predictable and unadventurous. Once you've seen one crowd of perfectly lined up fascists you've seen 'em all.

Mussolini on the other hand allowed Italian cinema to positively flourish during his fascist regime, setting up censor boards rather than persecuting filmmakers directly.

Raikin movies were the best

It's pure propaganda justifying the invasion of Poland. Sadly, even some Polish actors played in this trash.

I admit I'm not familiar with Italian cinema made under Mussolini's rule. Can you recommend me some films?

produced some of the greatest painters of all time too. probably cause there was fuck all to do in 1800s Russia besides drink.

and writers

the entire history of classic Italian cinema comes from that period, so you're already familiar with Mussolini era cinema:

>Mussolini himself was fond of saying that the cinema was the most powerful art form developed in the modern era. Mussolini's son Vittorio played a major role as the editor of an influential film journal ( Cinema ) that involved such collaborators as the future postwar leftist directors, Luchino Visconti (1906–1976), Michelangelo Antonioni (b. 1912), and Giuseppe De Santis (1917–1997), and it was Vittorio Mussolini's friendship that enabled Roberto Rossellini (1906–1977) to begin to work in the industry. The regime founded a major film school, the Centro Sperimentale di Cinematografia (1935); and it built one of the world's great film production complexes, Cinecittà, inaugurated by Mussolini in 1937.

He was probably the most pro-liberal arts dictator in history. Strange.

Gotta say, 19th century Russian literature is some of my favourite. They're an odd bunch.

By 1960 they could get away with a lot of things. Censorship wasn't that harsh like during Stalin's days.

What's good about Nostalghia?

>actual communism

trick question, there has been no actual communism on earth.

it's kind of narcoleptic, not in a bad way
I liked some scenes

Uhm sweetie, real communism hasn't been tried yet.

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This is a film form 1960. They are singing the oldest Polish hymn.
>Virgin, Mother of God, God-famed Mary!

I just learned that Lenin was in power for like 3-4 years and Stalin was in power for 30 fucking years.

Holy shit

I grew up in USSR and most Soviet movies were either shit, depressing, or depressing shit. The only exceptions that broke that mold were a handful of comedies made in the 60s by Leonid Gayday - and those movies are still being played to this day on Russian TV because barely anything else to show.

When perestroika happened in the 80s the Russians went apeshit over Hollywood films because they were so much better than what the Soviets had to offer.

Stalin literally made a decree that the only movies allowed to be made had to contain communism propaganda.

It's about a homesick man being stuck in misty ruins and overgrowth, wanting to return home. Tarkovsky spent the last few years of his life in exile because the Soviet Union hated him and censored his work.

It's a biographical film that mirrors what Tarkovsky was feeling through atmosphere and poetry. The candle scene finale (which could be an analogy for what it's like to produce a work of art) is GOAT.

>american education

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> still being played to this day on Russian TV because barely anything else to show.
And that includes everything russans filmed since USSR fell apart.
>they were so much better
Yes, especially porn.

Seconded, Man with a movie camera is great.

Because you have shit taste and wouldn't know great cinema if Mel Gibson shouted FREEEEEEEEEDOM right in your face.

>1960
>Stalin
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>Hollywood films because they were so much better than what the Soviets had to offer
Because most people are dumb plebs who prefer shitty action flicks over philosophical masterpieces.

Holy shit there was SOVIET PORN???

Not that I know of. That's the thing. Curtain fell and "The Fruit Is Ripe" became a cult classic. Like, literally, a cult was established around that movie.

I have noticed this with Japan as well, 1930's-1940's and well unto late 50's Japan produced non-stop some of the greatest films in the history of cinema, after that almost nothing, today zero.

Hard times create people who have a great imperative to produce great art that speaks to people, movies like Solaris or Rashomon, you can see they have nothing to do with popularity contests , they are made with great love, and want to give a message to the audience and force him to use his intellect and emotions to interpret them.

Japan had Kurosawa and USSR had Tarkovsky. Literally one person per country. If those two didn't exist, you wouldn't be talking about Japanese and Soviet "film industry."

only if you're ignorant

Capitalism is more focused on profit and most times big industries don't care about making something actually good but rather create some cash whore.
In communism, since profit is not so big and somewhat worthless, so product is valued on it's content so people tend to create something that would be entertaining and would last and it shows.

If you want to say that because of this communism is great economic system, your fucking wrong.

no but women had to give it away, refusing a comrade was considered uncommunist