Eyes Wide Shut

What are all the Christmas aesthetics a metaphor of here?
Also who the fuck asks people if they want to go where the rainbow ends? That's not a real saying, is it? Was this a clue they were part of the evil rich people sex magic cult? Was the whole thing actually a deliberate initiation of Bill into the cult?

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Fidelio.

They were making fun of his height by implying he’s a leprechaun

Christmas is when these "parties" happen, its a jewish way to offend Jesus.

Kek

BRAVO KUBRICK

Fuck u, lolled so hard you killed this kino for me

This makes too much sense.
Was the entire movie really just about subtly trolling Tom Cruise?

You know from all directors in cinema

Kubrick really has the best taste when it comes to sexy females

No, that's David Lynch.

it's about insecurity, so that's not that outlandish

VRABO BUKRICK

>David Lynch has good taste in actre-

he tossed her ass to the curb back in like '92
pic related

I love Cruise as an actor but this movie didn't do much for me. It felt like a soulless version of After Hours.

One possibility is that as Christmas replaced the pagan Saturanalia, which was a feast with much sex and liveliness of the ancient world, there is a replacement underlying our own Christmas. Basically saying that Saturnalia and orgy underlie what we perceive to be Christmas. Christmas is also the most wholesome American holiday, so to have the sacred and profane interwoven intimately heightens the contrast and contradiction. Further Christmas is a family holiday, and in some ways Cruise's character enters another "family's" holiday and they have rejected him, which could have a familial rejection theme which works with his perceived betrayal from his wife.

In EWS Christmas Lights and decorations are symbolizing when they are in the goyim world. That's when they are in the rainbow. Those are rainbow lights.

Being "over the rainbow" is when you are in the "inner circle". In those places, there are no "normie" decorations and they certainly don't celebrate Christmas.

You'll notice that in the scenes in the last half, there's not a single Christmas light in the mansion.

/pol9k/ speak aside, you're pretty much right about the symbolism of the Christmas decorations.

>tfw too beta to approach and seduce women like this guy
>tfw so beta that this scene actually made me cringe

Christmas is not really a Christian holiday.
It was not celebrated by Christians until Constantine decided that Rome needed to become "Christian" and slapped Christian names on Roman pagan gods and holidays. Jesus was not born in the winter, and Jesus did not celebrate birthdays.
Christmas was Saturnalia, which was the winter celebration of Saturn and involved lots and lots of drunken orgies and debauchery. I'm not going to get into an argument with all of the shills about whether or not people actually believe these things, but, in the context of the film at least, Bill is being exposed to wealthy satanists who engage in sex magic. Saturnalia is a satanic holiday. All of the lights and stars represent the "illuminated ones", or fallen angels. You know the star at the top of your Christmas tree? You're told that it represents the star that led the three wise men to Jesus, however satanists believe it represents satan himself. One of the major themes of this film is that everything can have dual meanings. On its surface, the party appears to be celebrating a Christian holiday. To those who worship satan, however, the same symbols have an entirely different meaning. That's why the scene can be so unnerving. You're seeing things that should be nice and festive, yet there's a constant undercurrent of menace and malevolence.
>where the rainbow ends?
It's not a coincidence that the rainbow has become the symbol of gay pride. It's a symbol of rebellion against God and experiencing the many different colors of sin, and it also has to do with symbolism involving prisms and Lucifer "the light bearer". I'm not arguing whether or not gay is good or bad, however, you have to have never met a gay person to think they don't almost universally hate Christianity.

Not all gay people are anti-christianity. Ive met gay church elders and know several gay christians.

This was a legitimate thing, minus the jew part. The Stuart court in England did this before based Cromwell came in to BTFO them.

"christians"

Going where the rainbow ends means taking the redpill.

No, it means putting on rose-tinted glasses and swallowing a bottleful of bluepills. Reminds me of something, can't quite put my finger on it.

No you idiot, it's where the rainbow *ends*.
The rainbow itself is the comforting illusion, where it ends is the awakening to harsh reality.

Is this worth watching?

>"harsh reality"

Nigga if you've never watched it I suggest you do tonight. Great kino

Nigga if you've never watched it I suggest you never do. Absolute piece of shit

damn im watching this right now
the acting is so wooden

That comic isn't relevant at all, we're talking about what a line in a movie means, not what we think about ourselves.

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Even though this takes place near christmas it's not a christmas movie.

Christmas themes only appear in two places. Unlike diehard where they are not only the set up but the payoff and the goal of the protag.

Well, I'M clearly shitposting about Sup Forums my nigga. I know what it means in the movie, nonetheless, I disagree about "harsh reality". It's just a stupid phrase. Deranged rich people doing wicked things in secret isn't any more 'real' than the rest of it.

If I remember correctly the film is inspired from a novel that took place in Venice during the Carnival, some centuries ago. I assume that the Christmas aesthetic was mostly there to justify the general spirit of it being a time of partying and celebration.

>Walk in on two middle aged dudes banging your daughter
>Try to beat the shit out of her instead

Was the 2h 49m running time really necessary ?

what was the point of this subplot? Was she really his daughter? Was he forcing her to be a whore? Why did everything cruise see/do in the first half fall apart in the final act?

It could have been even longer imo. Amd reveal more secrets about the orgy/mansion/people there

I thought it was something to do with the costume shop... which has rainbow in its name but Yeah, most likely it's a cheap joke from the genius Kubrick right?

what bothers me is in the scene at the billiard table where the rich guy talks to Bill about the party, there's a moment where the color filter goes from a kind of red to a kind of green (or the reverse). No idea if it was a mistake that happened due to Kubrick reshooting scenes over and over and that one take had a different camera setting or something.

>I disagree about "harsh reality".
It's definitely "harsh" compared to the fake rainbow world. That's the whole point, the rainbow world is there to keep the uninitiated normal people distracted with soft glowing lights so they don't notice the fucked up things outside of their controlled playpen.
>Deranged rich people doing wicked things in secret isn't any more 'real' than the rest of it.
Yes it is. The rainbow world isn't as real because it's an artificial control structure where unpleasant truths are blocked out.
There's an analogous relationship here with how the world is for most children. You deliberately keep a child away from a variety of truths as a parent and distract them with simpler child-friendly white lies about how things work.
Also just see that Hypernormalization documentary if you haven't already, it's pretty much made specifically to explain the distinction of the oversimplified fake world we participate in as a way of avoiding the more complicated, out of control, and disturbing truths of the real world.

that bitch got pretty drunk pretty fast

The whole movie before the mansion scene builds up the sexual frustration of Tom Cruise's character.

I think this scene just serves this purpose, to kind of show that as soon as he's taking the first step to entering this weird world of sexual encounters (buying a costume for the party), he already starts witnessing a form of deviant sex. Just generally building up the sexuality and perversion.

>mfw i realized that Kubrick was trying to red pill us about the elite
>they're satanist, pedophiles, fornicators, basking in wickedness, etc.

Read your bible and the Book of Enoch, lads. The end of times is near and the lord will smite all these unholy sinners.

So did Kubrick get the final cut of it, or did they change it when he died?

asking a question noone has the answer to seemingly expecting to find the answer in this thread on Sup Forums

what did he mean by this?

this. for as long as people watch Kubrick, they will know whodunnit.

daily reminder that Kubrick was killed for this movie

There were definitely a few changes made after its theatrical release. A Hindu chant was changed and the scene with kidman and cruise naked in front of a mirror was zoomed in/cropped. Also the line where kidman says "we made love" was dubbed to "you and I had sex"

The cut he delivered to Warner wasn't final and chances are a lot of changes would've occurred before release. Also the sound track wasn't done and the sound designer had to guess which versions of songs should be used.

What if one is well acquainted with unpleasant truths and chooses to focus their attention on the good in their short span of existence in this rather polarized world? Would you call it "running from reality" or some such? I understand what you're saying perfectly well, and how it fits into the film's symbolism, but I don't necessarily agree with the dichotomy of "harsh reality" and "ignorant rainbows" or "dark truth" and "happy ignorance", though it can, no doubt, be applied as a generalization and be mostly accurate in describing how people perceive the world. But it's by no means universal.
>Hypernormalization
I'll check it out.

How does a naked Nicole Kidman fit into it? Was he making a very clever meta comment? Not that her nipples weren't thought provoking, but reading the Bible wasn't my first thought.

Also the DVD/bluray versions look different than the 35mm theatrical release. Most of the grain has been digitally removed and the contrast and saturation is lower.

The path of depravity wouldn't have as much meaning if he wasn't shown betraying his lover, no?

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THIS FUCKING CAPTCHA JESUS CHRIST I'M DONE TRYING TO POST

>Not Tarkovsky
pleb

Its modern Christians who hate fags, frankly the big JC said 'dont judge and be kind' a helluva lot more than he said 'i hate fags'

Wait, to what is that a response, exactly?

Try Settings > Quotes and Replying > Legacy Captcha

Nothing to do with "hating" fags. I don't know why you're jumping to conclusions.

Re-release when?

some of the decorations are actually symbols of other things iirc

worth looking into if you're interested

If I remember correctly theres a pentagram on the wall during the party

I just mean to say being gay and being Christian aren't mutually exclusive. Everyone sins and being gay or doing gay things is just another sin god will forgive.

It's a symbol of Ishtar, an old Babylonian sex god. Don't know why.

why do elites defile children and sacrafice them?

You ever bully someone back in school, hurt their feelings and derive confidence from it? You ever just exercise power over someone, defeat them and derive strength and psychological power from it? Makes you feel good right?

What do you think the most extreme type of that power trip would be? What is the most vulnerable type of person, and what is the worst thing you could do to them?

Jesus also talked a lot about family and how it's sacred and all that shit, implying fags aren't christians.

Not that I give a fuck but yeah as the other guy said "christians".

Yes

>Is a Kubrick worth watching
OH, GEE. I DON'T KNOW . . .

hmm i dont know this feel

This. There's a huge fucking star of Ishtar right behind Nick Nightingale's piano at Ziegler's party at thr beginning.

Yep

>Saturnalia, which was the winter celebration of Saturn
>Saturnalia is a satanic holiday
Dude.
What we got was the so called "jewcut" byt the studio since Kubrick was already dead at that point. Go Figure.
There's nothing worse than retarded religiousfags.
Definitely not.

That's retarded. Knowingly sinning because "god will forgive" isn't how Christianity works. God will not be mocked - says as much in the Bible.

I was so into this film that I thought the runtime flew by. I actually didn't want it to end.

What's the magic circle?

This youtu.be/zC0UUl1QgQ0 and this vigilantcitizen.com/moviesandtv/the-hidden-and-not-so-hidden-messages-in-stanley-kubriks-eyes-wide-shut-pt-i/

it was all about Gary Goba cucking him

an improvement of the book in my opinion; the book was set in mardi gras which is all about sex and drinking while christmas is the opposite of that for puritan america, all to make the dirty underbelly more awful

best comment tonight

>Directed by Stanley Kubrick
>His last film
>H-Hey g-guys is this worth watching?

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