Is the casting couch really unilaterally wrong...

Is the casting couch really unilaterally wrong? I'm not talking about the forced "suck my dick or I'll ruin you" kind of shit, but if two consenting adults decide to fuck because one of them wants to further their own career, who gives a shit? Obviously that only really applies to jobs like acting where the only real qualification is don't be terrible and look fuckable, it's not applicable to jobs that matter, but I really don't see a problem with it.

I don't either, but it's fucking up the jews so it can only be a good thing.

Try having someone hungry to fuck your asshole maneuvering around you to try to pressure you into letting him do it and see whether the discomfort the slobbery kike's eagerness to violate your boypussy causes you to complain this is some kind of weird fucking harassment or something what the fuck.

If it's proposed by the person without the power and seen as a fair trade then sure. But it's never like that. You can't say to someone "if you want this role or favorability then suck my dick" because the implication is if you don't suck that dick he's going to go out of his way to make sure you can't work.

You have to look at it from more perspectives than just the creepy fat jew pretending he's being fair by asking.

I mean you could stop with your second sentence because it's obvious that all this outed "misconduct" lately has been consensual
for the "victims" it's a great way to reframe something utterly shameful they did in the past while the people they are destroying have absolutely no recourse in today's society to protest due to the "victim blaming" thing

>If it's proposed by the person without the power and seen as a fair trade then sure. But it's never like that.
I wouldn't say never. Weinstein isn't the best example because it's pretty clear that in most of these instances he was being predatory about it and using his influence to keep it quiet, but you gotta remember, for every successful actress that recoils the thought of having to fuck this fat disgusting slob, there are probably 100 wannabes out there who would kill for the opportunity to better their own career by taking a decrepit but wealthy dick or two. Everybody has an idea about how hard it is to break into show business, but unless you've actually tried (and I have), you really have no idea how fucking demeaning and arduous the whole process is. People hear stories about how hard it is to get turned down for roles all the time, but the reality is for most people starting out, it can take years of schooling and networking and financial investments in things like headshots and personally produced scenes before you can even get in the fucking room. By the time you're lucky enough to land representation, it's already been years of your life and you STILL almost never get called in for anything. If you're a chick who's attractive enough to catch some sleazy producer's eye, I don't care how much integrity you think you had when you started, taking a shot in the mouth to land an actual role that's worth a damn is going to start sounding like an attractive option.

I'd suck dick to get payed twice as much, doesn't mean I'd enjoy sucking dick.
Sucking the dick or not is up to each individual, but it shouldn't be the norm.

The Casting Couch sucks for the fans, dipshit.

If you want good movies and shows written by good writers and starring good actors, why would you want a system that selects its candidates based on willingness to consensually fuck? That's like breeding horses to have the biggest mane and tail when you're actually trying to produce faster offspring.

>for the fans
You are still pure, innocent. Leave this place while you can.

It depends. Is it a pure “have sex with me and I’ll put you in a lead role of blockbuster” I have no problem. Is it “have sex with me, then sign this contract and you can now never escape or go to another studio” it is a problem.

It is not verbal, the girl goes to the hotel room, both drink a lot, pretend it is a work talk till midnight, then he trips on her and they end in the couch giggling to each other... Oh, I never realized how beautiful you were from up close...

Touching hair, then hands, legs a kiss happens and so on...

Next day the girl is in the movie... No need to talk about the exchange, got it?

I agree, I'm sure that a lot of actress said no, and you don't heard about them, but frankly, start bitching because the suck a fat Jew decrepit dick AFTER they're swimming in money is low, and I don't feel any kind of empathy for such amount of lowly whores

there are investors and studios who don't want their lead to be someone who got the job by sucking slimy producer cock.

Not to mention agencies that rep actual actors who have experience and reels getting passed up for some girl a producer picked up in a bar that barely speaks english.

It's a very unsustainable practice.

there are probably some very talented actors we have no idea about because they wouldn't trade sex for parts.

>guys is there such thing as an altruistic coercion rapist?

The answer, is no

they're in second rate theaters, top rate do the casting couch thing as well.

doesnt matter if they're both consenting, it's unethical from a business standpoint.

>unethical
>real world
Lol

I'm not sure you understand just how small the demand for actors actually is. Something like 95% of all SAG-AFTRA members make fewer than $1000 dollars a year acting. It's pretty rare to see a movie starring someone who can't act to save their life even if they did fuck their way into it. No right minded producer is going to risk his own reputation by putting someone who literally cannot act in major picture just because they fuck good, and beyond that, the vast majority of decent roles do not go to anyone based on merit, almost everything is done based on politics.

Look at the big box agencies that rep most A-listers. CAA reps both Meryl Streep and Glenn Close. Both very famous older white ladies who fall into the same basic type, but Streep is obviously the bigger get. When someone is looking to cast a picture with a role for an older white lady known for drama, both of those names are going to be on the list, but Streep is going to get the offer first almost 100% of the time. Does that mean she is ALWAYS better suited to the job? Not necessarily. I'd say she's easily the stronger talent, but there a roles where Close would make a lot more sense than Streep. Doesn't matter though, because that's not how the industry operates. Neither of those two are sucking dick for roles at this point in their careers, but that doesn't mean they're out there auditioning and it also does not mean people are weighing the pros and cons and coming seeing who is more appropriate for than the other. It just comes down to, "is Meryl busy? Yes? Alright, call Glenn".

It's morally wrong.

If they want to pay for sex, they should be able to pay for sex. Keep it separate from hiring people for a job.
It would be like your job only offering promotions if you suck the boss' dick.
The person getting the promotion is probably not the person with a strong work ethic.

Legalize sex for money directly and part of the problem will go away.

>Legalize sex for money directly and part of the problem will go away.
Maybe on the lower end of the business, but Harvey Weinstein could easily pay for sex whether or not it was legal. Dude could have done anything he wanted, crack whores, high class escorts, literally children if he was that evil. When you're at that level of the upper crust, basically anything is available. It just so happened that he wasn't interested in simply fucking, he was interested in fucking beautiful actresses.

Your first paragraph claims that because most actors are unsuccessful at "breaking in" to full-time paid acting, therefore producers don't choose actors based on whether they agreed to sleep with them. The reality is there are a lot of parts in the average movie, especially big-budget action, romcom, or thriller movies where the goal is box office rather than critical acclaim, so the producers can get away with plenty. Think back to the Fast & Furious movies or anything along those lines. How many unnecessary cameos with attractive young women were there, scenes that aren't even fan service, just pointless and an obvious result of boinking an executive for a cool exposure? I can think of four off the top of my head. Would the movie have been better if their scenes had been replaced with something actually plot relevant or fun, even with attractive women that could actually act or emote? Of course.

But what happens is a producer will get his dick sucked in exchange for a scene between 30 seconds and 3 minutes that DIDN'T need to be in it and makes the movie worse without losing box office money - so they get away with it and do it again and again. The more this happens, the more egregious it can get.

Fucking someone for money isn't the same as fucking an actress who wouldn't fuck you under any other circumstances

Yeah so what happens if you do it, and they still say no.

You were already powerless to move up into position; there's nothing you can do but feel like shit for the rest of your life. People with power can silence those without a voice.

Interesting info user

I don't understand what the point of your second paragraph is or how it relates to what we are talking about. Of course some actors are chosen based on star value rather than exact fit, there's even a meme about it. That doesn't refute the fact that women (and men) are shoehorned into movies which don't need them in order to get the director's rocks off. Remember in Avengers when the aliens attack New York, and there's that kinda fat-faced blonde chick who keeps getting shown on screen despite having no importance whatsoever? Ten dollars says Joss Whedon or someone else higher along the food chain fucked that girl and she got screen time as a result, which made the movie a little bit trashier.

What blonde?

She is shown on screen no less than 4 times while civilians are running for their lives, and in the final news montage, she has the cringey "captain america saved my life" lines

Are you saying there are hundreds of underpaid actors I could put in a independent movie and pay them nothing? Sup Forums should make their own new hollywood lol.

I mean, that's kind of anecdotal, but then so is basically everything I said, too. I can't confirm or deny whether what you're proposing happens or to what degree it happens, but if it does, then yeah that's shitty. But that's not the kind of scenario I'm talking about.

>I don't understand what the point of your second paragraph is or how it relates to what we are talking about.
What I mean is that when it comes down to it, most casting decisions, whether they come down to brand recognition or a casting couch scenario, very little of it has to do simply with talent. If you're a signed actor, most CD's are going to assume you have a professional skill set. The problem is the market is saturated with talented actors, and the industry deals with this by, mostly organically, developing systems that put some ahead of others.

Prostitution is always wrong because it's business and business has to be transparent and taxed.

>Are you saying there are hundreds of underpaid actors I could put in a independent movie and pay them nothing?
I'm saying there are thousands. Some would be willing to pay you. Pretty sure there's gotta be a rule against it, but yeah. If you want to make a movie, you will have no problem finding people talented enough to make it work. Getting them to actually show up on time and do everything you need them to do might be a bit of a nightmare, but these people exist.

Damn, maybe I will actually try it. I always thought that would be the hardest part but now when I think about it all the people who dream of making it in Hollywood that fail are probably pretty good or at least okay at acting and will do it for cheap since nobody will hire them.

>What I mean is that when it comes down to it, most casting decisions, whether they come down to brand recognition or a casting couch scenario, very little of it has to do simply with talent.
Okay, thanks for clarifying. You're right that people don't always make optimal decisions when casting. I would describe the Streep/Close situation as more of a "safe bet", though, where they know they'll get a solid performance and reliable audience turnout, and are willing to forego a slightly more risky decision for the prospect of creating a higher quality result.

>the industry deals with this by, mostly organically, developing systems that put some ahead of others.
Yes of course, that's part of the problem when those systems become so entrenched that they elevate actual sexual predators into powerful gatekeeping roles. It's an issue where most people do one or two kind of shitty things to get ahead, so nobody raises a red flag when a few people constantly do shitty things to the point that they undermine the work being done, exclude very good and potentially very crowd-pleasing actors or writers, and toxify the process. I'm sure we don't disagree that Hollywood is a cesspool

It is when there is 1 role for several hundred applicants and millions of dollars (as well as a future) on the line. Any way to get ahead becomes fair game under those conditions.

>I'm sure we don't disagree that Hollywood is a cesspool
We certainly do not. Things will inevitably start clean up, but right now so much of the old guard just sees that as being how things operate. Granted, I don't think the idea of the casting couch is ever going to go away. As long as reps still push for general meetings, there is always going to be talent willing to sleep for a potential role, and creatives willing to cast that way. The bigger problem is the predatory way certain creatives go about it, but I think the overt predators will start thinking twice now.

It's prostitution which is illegal
So yes

No, prostitution is sex in exchange for money. That's illegal. Sex in exchange for some kind of favorability is unethical, but it is, for all intents and purposes, legal and pervasive at almost every level of society.

Weirdly, I remember learning that prostitution is not a federal crime, just a state one

Yeah, I'd not heard that, but I guess it stands to reason. There are places (Nevada with the exception of Las Vegas for instance) where it's straight up legal and the federal government doesn't get involved, whereas with something like marijuana (which is illegal at the federal level but legal on a state level) they can technically seize legal grow houses for some reason. I honestly have no idea how that works.

I mean, as long as you know what you're getting into and understand how to put a movie together, you really have no reason not to. It's not easy, but if it's something you want to do and are willing to put the work into, it's something that can very much be done.

Yes it is wrong because it kills talent.

It happens because DEA gets involved in drug smuggling at the federal level, and then makes local arrests so they can scare loser drug dealers into ratting on their suppliers. That's mostly why government types are against legalizing pot.

Also, a lot of it is going to be dependent on where you're located. If you're not in an area with a film/tv market, it's going to be a lot harder to find people, but not impossible. I see ads in the trades all the time for people putting together film projects in BFE and taking submissions from NYC/LA. It's going to be incumbent on you to get them there, but you can always take video submissions. Use backstage and actors access, both of those have options for low budget and student filmmakers, and everybody who will be in the low budget price range are on them. If you are in an area with a market, you can always shoot an email to boutique agencies in town when you have an actual pitch prepared. They almost always have developmental talent who will be willing to work for reel footage, and then you don't have to worry about flakes or psychos as reputable agents tend to know to avoid taking on those sorts of clients.

If it's consensual, then you're right, it isn't wrong but that doesn't mean the actress wanted to do the things she had to do to advance her career. Hollywood is run by evil, scummy old jews and lots of struggling actors/actresses are desperate as fuck to land a big role and will go as far as to suck a greasy jew dick if they tell them to. That's why you will never hear a big time actress admit to fucking for roles. It's shameful.

Damn, thanks for the advice user.