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If Luke just "wanted to die" on the island, why did he put the incomplete map inside of R2? Also didn't Han say that "Luke went to find the first Jedi temple?"

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>trying to make sense of anything past ROTJ

Luke probably made a quip and Han misunderstood.

Shh just look at the pretty lightsaber and eat your popcorn

Different directors and JJ didn't care about planning anything beyond TFA

The map wasn't to Luke it, was to the Jedi temple.

Because it wasn't Luke, it was Vader

Didn't watch TFA lmao

Cant we talk about something else now. I get it, people here don't like it. But surely a better way of spending our time would be to talk about film's we consider good. I mean last Jedi isn't really that bad to be worth talking about to this degree. Sup Forums is becoming more irrelevant by the day.

>Sup Forums is becoming more irrelevant by the day.
Good, then please leave.

Don't worry I plan to. You have to admit that Sup Forums is a shadow of its former self.

You sound like you take it up the shitter.

Why can't you leave then?

"I had it on in the background while I was doing some housework. I think I got the gist."

why is there so much fucking empty space between your "Hold on." and then the rest of your post
jesus christ

I haven't been on here in a few weeks was just checking to see if anything had changed. It hasn't. I'll be leaving after this conversation.

will you provide a map so we can find you

It comes and goes. Rick and Morty, GoT and TLJ put a hamper on it but it will be back soon enough.

Reminder: You are here forever.

>be luke
>don't turn to the dark side when your relatives get vaporised by stormtroopers and you return to their burning skeletons
>don't turn to the dark side when you see your mentor cut down in front of you
>don't turn to the dark side when you get your hand sliced off and find out your mentor concealed the truth about your father
>don't turn to the dark side when your best friend gets frozen in carbonite and sold to a crime lord
>don't turn to the dark side after having your sister threatened
>don't turn to the dark side when offered to co-rule the empire
>don't turn to the dark side after being zapped to fuck by force lightning
>be literally the only person in the galaxy who can see any good in a man who willingly murdered a room full of children

>be willing to murder your nephew in his sleep because of a vision, somehow go through all the jedi teachings, become a master and not stop to consider that it could be prevented

Has anyone asked Rian if he watched the other movies or what?

Also

>be yoda
>wise as fuck, leader of the jedi council golden age
>become a book burner

no no no no

Why did Yoda revert to his crazy old hermit shtick as a force ghost?

Fuck. Well, this ruins everything for me now

you mean like inside? inside forever? even sleeping inside? even after I post really hard?

Well duh. He went to find the ancient jedi texts so he could NOT BOTHER reading them.

Luke didn't put the map into R2.
R2 had access to the Jedi records at many points during the Clone Wars. So he had the map to the old Jedi temples. He just couldn't access it. The missing part of the map was removed to keep the original Jedi Temples a secret. Or, it was just so old it was presumed lost until Lor San Tekka found it. How about this: When Obi Wan reprogrammed the signal to keep the Jedi away from Coruscant after Order 66, he figured that surviving Jedi would try to gather at the first Jedi Temples, so he removed that part of the map from the Temple archives to protect the Jedi from Order 66.
Or, Kylo says they had the incomplete map from the archives of the Empire. So R2 could have accessed that data during any of his interactions with Imperial computers (Including Senate computers, while working for Bail and/or Leia.)

It's not a map to Luke, it's a map to the first Jedi Temple, and Luke didn't make it

Oh, so R2 made it without Luke, on his own.

When was this said in either movie?

Yoda didn't burn any books. He quickly burned down the hut so that Luke wouldn't discover that Rey had already stolen the books.

We see the books in a drawer on the Falcon near the end of the movie.

>be literally the only person in the galaxy who can see any good in a man who willingly murdered a room full of children
hey remember that time he tried to kill Vader in a fit of rage because Vader was shittalking his sister?
>not stop to consider
But he did stop

Kekekekekek.

This all sounds reasonable. Now, do you honestly believe it isn't just going to be forgotten about completely in Ep.IX?

It was a map used by Luke to find a Jedi temple not a map left by him to find him. They just called it the map to Skywalker as it was possible that's where he still was nobody is to say he could have moved from that location at any point. He went to Ach-To to find answers didn't like what he found so saw it was best for the Jedi to end felt it would eliminate all conflict between light and dark (Jedi and Sith) only to be told he was wrong later.

...

Han says it to Rey and Fin on the Falcon in TFA that Luke felt guilty and went to find the first Jedi temple

Friendly reminder that Balance doesn't mean one side is completely destroyed and the whole idea that destroying the Sith creates balance is dumb

You're right actually, I missed that - I take the yoda thing back. Another gripe I had with the yoda scene is his ability to influence the physical environment as a ghost, when it's established in episode 5 that force ghosts cannot interact with the physical world (when ben warns luke that he is unable to assist should he choose to face vader). Perhaps yoda is simply more powerful, but if so, why does he not choose to help in more meaningful ways?

The events don't compare. Vader was an armed opponent guilty of numerous crimes and luke had not the wisdom or experience he had post episode 6. Ben was a defenseless. unarmed (and as of that particular moment) innocent. Luke is supposed to be a grand master at this point, wisdom is thinking before you act, especially over something that hadn't even happened.

Rian turned Luke into a fool

Balance was always light side only because it's the force natural state, the sith are a disruption of the force or atleast that's how it was in the old canon, then came the mouse and fucked it up

Go away disney shill. No one is gonna deposit any money in to your account

I always interpreted force ghosts not helping or assisting others is due more so to people having to find their own path via their own choices, Yoda makes an exception in this case with Luke.

Then "balance" is an awful choice of names for the idea.

>trying to analyze fan fiction

>> ...it's established in episode 5 that force ghosts cannot interact with the physical world (when ben warns luke that he is unable to assist should he choose to face vader).
I thought he couldn't interfere because he couldn't let Vader know about the existence of Force ghosts, or that it would somehow break the balance of the Force to interfere.

The Force is in balance by default. It's only when Dark Jedi or Sith submit their will over the Force that it becomes unbalanced. Lucas said so himself.

It's obvious Rian Johnson didn't even watch TFA. And Jew Jew Abraham like always creates mysteries he doesn't have the answer for.

A grand master that didn't even finish his training, and maybe it's the wisdom and experience he got post episode 6 that made killing Kylo seem like a good idea.
>Events don't compare
Sure they do, that's why Luke didn't give in to killing either of them.

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WHAT A TWIST

The search for Luke and the map were just a McGuffin to get the plot running in TFA and in the end of course they find him and his appearance becomes some sort of cliffhanger but then you have to deal with this plotline in TLJ. Sorta like how BTTF2 had to go to 2015 because of that final scene in BTTF1 which was actually just a visual joke without anything planned out.

>didn't like what he found
didn't bother reading what he found.

The creator of the whole concept of the force disagrees with you.

That Reddit spacing

umm sweetie, stop trying the whole "muh wise" old fucker routine with star wars
the force isn't something you can study in book and old shit
it is new and can be grasped by young people even better than old crones.
Luke was a whiny bitch who gets hit, rey actually knows what she is doing. Stop trying to rewrite the story like Luke wasn't some obnoxious aging coward who tried to kill ben when he had the chance.

Luke arguably had better training than most other Jedi, having faced the dark side multiple times and resisted. Facing real threats was seen as a credible alternative to the traditional trials, that's why obi-wan became a knight after defeating maul. There is no other (except now Rey) who went through the same sort of challenges.

You may argue that he resisted again by disengaging his saber, but the fact that luke would even get as far as to raise his blade under those circumstances, with no consideration of the consequences, is what shits on his character.

In episode 6, luke disengages when he sees vader in a defenseless heap in front of him. In episode 8, luke engages while ben is a defenseless heap in front of him

>luke engages while ben is a defenseless heap in front of him
And then stops when he sees that Ben is a defenseless heap in front of him.

The story was already rewritten to turn Luke from a flawed but ultimately stoic character who managed to save the galaxy to an idiot who runs away and hides from his mistakes

You need to consider motive aswell as outcome when analysing a character. Beating the shit out of someone who has murdered scores of innocents, hunted you down and made threats against your loved ones then stopping as you realise you're becoming more like him is different to holding a pillow to your nephew's face ready to smother him in his sleep because you think he might possibly turn evil at some point in the future. It's a complete betrayal of Luke's character and what we saw him evolve into throughout the OT

There is a difference between
>Might turn evil
and
>Will turn evil
Force visions is in the will category, not might.

just turn your brain off dude

Yoda flat out states that the future is impossible to see

Luke had a vision of what we can interpret him taking Vader's place in the cave on dagobah, but by his actions it didn't come true.

Palpatine said everything is proceeding as he had foreseen, yet made no plan for Vader's betrayal. Visions in star wars are by no means set in stone.

Somehow he just forgot that in episode 8 - maybe Rian wasn't interested in any other input when he was writing it. V

Luke was always an idiot, honey, your own warped perceptions of masculinity and heroics kept you from seeing it until Rian had to hit you over the head with it

>honey
This is what women truly believe good trolling is.

This what you get if you let different directors and writers work on a saga. I'd be willing to bet TLJ would've been better if JJ directed it.

Imbalance is caused by dipping into the Dark Side. Removing that restores balance.

Yet BTTF 2 made better use of that cliffhanger ending.

Nah nigga the prophecy that Anakin would restore balance to the force meant that since there were only two sith, he would kill all but two jedi. Bada boom bada bing.