Bombs released in space somehow fall as if being pulled down by gravity

>bombs released in space somehow fall as if being pulled down by gravity
>Ships stop moving in space when they run out of fuel when they should continue on forever at the same speed
>Asian stops Finn from destroying the cannon because she must save what she loves, but by doing so ensures the door will be destroyed and the entire resistance killed
Am I missing something or was this film riddled with giant plot holes and stupid scenes?

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>bombs released in space somehow fall as if being pulled down by gravity
Come on, this is really minor. They could be magnetic or some shit.
>Ships stop moving in space when they run out of fuel when they should continue on forever at the same speed
You do know that the First Order could just...increase the speed of their ships then?
>Asian stops Finn from destroying the cannon because she must save what she loves, but by doing so ensures the door will be destroyed and the entire resistance killed
Those are called emotions, people tend to do stupid stuff when their friend is about to die. Also, the scene was supposed to mirror the opening sequence where Poe keeps going despite orders to fall back. In this scene he shows his growth as a character and tells the others to fall back. Letting Finn die here wouldn't have fitted in the context of what the movie was trying to achieve.

>Ships stop moving in space when they run out of fuel when they should continue on forever at the same speed

Has an IRL warship ever run out of fuel in the middle of the ocean?

>muh bombs
it was a kino tribute to world war 2 bombing scenes

holy fuck this movie was the ultimate pleb filter

Star Wars ships have never made sense though.
Even the basic designs are wrong, A ship like an X-Wing in space can't turn by rolling like a plane would because there's no air.
The movie was shitty but come on OP at least use real criticisms.

What is fuel in SW universe?

>forgetting the biggest plot hole of some mystic power that lets people turn into ghosts, move things with their minds, and wield swords made of length-limited, solid light
ANH was garbage, and everything that came after was worse.

No, and you're missing quite a few.

I didn't think the film was amazing, but even I think you're nitpicking easily explained plot points.

>Maybe the bombs aren't falling as if pulled by gravity, maybe they are smart bombs that propel themselves to their target. There were bombers in the previous films, like the TIE Bomber or the bombs dropped by Y-Wings.

>Ships need fuel to function, it isn't just about motion. When the fuel runs dry, the shields eventually die, the lasers aren't going to fire, and the life support systems are going to turn off. Furthermore, even if the ships drift forever at the same speed they are travelling, the First Order could simply hyperspace jump around them, then turn back and catch them coming the opposite direction.

>The door was going to be destroyed anyway, because Finn's suicide mission wasn't going to work. He was being hardheaded and attempting to fly his craft directly into the mouth of the battering ram, despite the fact the parts of his craft in the beam were already being shredded to bits.

>bombs released in space
Was that a euphemism for the movie itself?

near the end of 30yr core life nuclear ships can struggle to get back to port (if you ignore the reactor engineers)

then you get towed in from 50miles out

>Has an IRL warship ever run out of fuel in the middle of the ocean?

IRL warships don't travel through a vacuum.

>You do know that the First Order could just...increase the speed of their ships then?

Ohhhh, so it WASNT a major plot point that the rebel ships were outrunning the FO and that’s why they were so worried about running out of fuel.

Well thank god they kept using that fuel to keep the momentum in space, or the FO would’ve just flown faster.

>Those are called emotions, people tend to do stupid stuff when their friend is about to die

So the answer is “she did the wrong thing being stupid” and “if the totes not atats hadn’t decided to just stop shooting it would’ve been pointless”

Yeah about that, what, did the notatats get emotional too?

Yes, but how is that relevant?

Is this your first Star Wars movie, user?

They use reactors, they don't run on "fuel" in the traditional sense of burning something like diesel. The whole "fuel" shit was invented for the purpose of this movie in order to enable this "slow speed chase" plot contrivance

White male tears

>Yes, but how is that relevant?

Can you give examples? Because that is a really incompetent thing to do and I doubt any decent navy has ever had it happen

Nobody mention that the rounds fired when the First Order is pursuing the last rebel frigate arc.
Because you know, when you have a planetary body(with an actual gravitational pull great enough to be noticed) directly ahead of you, your space lasers will arc downwards respective to the stellar body that would actually pull it towards itself.

Come on now, the films have always used bad physics. It is indicative of all space films. If you're worried about the ships slowing down in a vacuum, how about you whine about the Death Star merging multiple lasers into one giant beam where the beams contact in the middle of space, without any sort of lens? Or how about laser swords colliding with each other like solid objects, or a fucking space wizard using magic to lift people with his mind?

>Come on, this is really minor. They could be magnetic or some shit.
It is minor, but they dropped as is falling in gravity, there was nothing to suggest that they were magnetic
>Those are called emotions, people tend to do stupid stuff when their friend is about to die.
Yes, people do stupid stuff, but she literally jeopardised the entire resistance because she liked Finn, she literally almost killed everyone, doing "stupid things" isn't an excuse.
>Also, the scene was supposed to mirror the opening sequence where Poe keeps going despite orders to fall back.
It doesn't make it any less stupid

>Ships need fuel to function, it isn't just about motion. When the fuel runs dry, the shields eventually die, the lasers aren't going to fire, and the life support systems are going to turn off
But we saw the smaller ships run out of fuel, they stopped moving and even lost their orientation, they began drifting wildly. That is not what happens. They'd keep moving forever at the same speed with or without fuel.
>Furthermore, even if the ships drift forever at the same speed they are travelling, the First Order could simply hyperspace jump around them, then turn back and catch them coming the opposite direction
Exactly, why didn't the First Order do that?

It's inertia. The bombs were dropped in the ship and continued their motion through the vacuum of space.

First valid answer, thanks user

They were released as if gravity was pulling them down, for intertia to work they would have needed to be pushed out, if you release something in space it stays put, unless a force is applied, these were dropped on rails as if they were under gravity

The ship had some kind of artificial gravity, hit Asian girl fell from the ladder and we saw the remote also fall. So the bombs fell within the ships gravity but went out into space. How she didn't get sucked out I have no idea

>"she did the wrong thing being stupid"
Do you want your characters to be stoic robots all the time? Emotion is at the heart of drama, user. It's why we watch these movies in the first place. Sure, it may have been stupid in the moment, but it showed the audience that Rose bonded with Finn and is willing to go out of her way to save him.
>did the notatats get emotional too?
This one is kinda true, although my memory about this scene is very hazy. Valid complaint.
>there was nothing to suggest that they were magnetic
In sci-fi movies you just have to take some things for granted. Do you really want a long-ass explanation every time something technical happens?
>We will blow up the Star Destroyer with these bombs which work like magnets once they are in space!
It just wouldn't work. Suspense of Disbelief is more important than being 100 percent consistent and logical.
>but she literally jeopardised the entire resistance because she liked Finn
Yes, because she wouldn't let her only real friend kill himself, even if it was for the greater good. That's what the whole message was. The Rebels needed to learn that they shouldn't kill what they hate, but protect what they love.

>But we saw the smaller ships run out of fuel, they stopped moving and even lost their orientation, they began drifting wildly. That is not what happens. They'd keep moving forever at the same speed with or without fuel.

Okay, and when two lasers hit each other, they aren't going to clash like swords. And when multiple lasers intersect, they aren't going to create one giant planet destroying laser. And when an old man holds his hand up, it isn't going to shoot lightning from his fingers. And when the X-wings fly, there is no reason they would function in space the same as a jet fighter does here on Earth. It is a movie franchise that frequently dismisses reality, stop whining about the ships slowing when they are out of fuel.

>Exactly, why didn't the First Order do that?

For the same reason the Empire didn't wait for their second planet-destroying battlestation to be able to move freely through space before drawing attention to it by firing its main weapons: they are fucking stupid.

Newton’s Laws don’t exist in this universe. Except when you travel at light speed :^)

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You should go see a therapist.

>>Ships need fuel to function, it isn't just about motion. When the fuel runs dry, the shields eventually die, the lasers aren't going to fire, and the life support systems are going to turn off. Furthermore, even if the ships drift forever at the same speed they are travelling, the First Order could simply hyperspace jump around them, then turn back and catch them coming the opposite direction.

Ships in space only need fuel to accelerate or maneuver. In the movie the FO was destroying ships because they ran out of fuel and stopped moving forward at all.

>How she didn't get sucked out I have no idea

For the same reason the Imperial/First Order forces can stand in hangar open to space.

In A New Hope you see Xwings getting fueled up

If you want to shitpost about plot holes in ANH just go with “why didn’t the deatstar just shoot the gas giant Yavin?”
Step ya game up fucko

>even if it was for the greater good.
I thought it was pretty obvious that it wouldn't even have done that. Like some other user said, his ship was falling apart and there was no real hint that his kamikaze attack would stop the canon.

Plus, him dying like that would shit all over a major theme. One of the main themes of this movie is the idea that smart decisions are better than impulsive ones. Poe's arc is the most obvious, but it show up everywhere else, too (even for Holdo; her insistence on being in absolute charge led to a mutiny because she wouldn't talk to people beneath her). Finn's main arc is centered around growing to understand that people besides Rey are worth caring about and saving. The obvious way for that to end is self-sacrifice, but that would end up being a stupid, short-sighted choice that would only result in the resistance losing another member for no reason. So Rose stops him, because she understands a lesson he hasn't picked up on yet and everyone else is learning.

>I post star wars threads

Both groups of ships are accelerating you mong. Once the rebels run out of fuel, they will stop accelerating, and the first order (who are continuing to accelerate) will catch up with them.

>He's buttrumbled about scientific accuracy in a Star Wars movie.

>ships have artificial gravity on the interior
>bomb falls to floor
>goes through hole
>object in motion stays in motion
I've got nothing for the ship fuel though. Maybe it was tractor beams?

Actually this makes sense. Maintaining speed in space wouldn't use up fuel

You're not allowed to use common sense to mansplain these autistic nitpicks.

Disney shill Jew enabler numale soyboy.

Am I doing this right?

This is almost a Fair point. Suspension of disbelief is required in a universe where lasers make noise in space and fighter jets maneuver like they are in atmosphere. But the huperspace ram is a bridge too far. It’s ruined in universe physics and has, miraculously, made complaints about physics in a movie starring space wizards actually valid. Fuck Disney

So it's better to save someone you've known for less than half a day and likely cause the death of the entire resistance and plunge the galaxy under another decades long totalitarian rule, than to let one guy die and possibly stop the ram allowing everyone to escape.
Rose is honestly a complete retard and should be executed for endangering the life's of everyone in that cave, if this wasn't a movie where the good guys have to atleast escape, she could have killed the entire resistance for a guy she doesn't even know

No, change up your spacing.

I thought that top, but the ships that ran out of fuel didn't merely get caught. They began drifting wildly in space as if they'd stopped moving completely, spinning and everything

So nice try, but no

>Letting Finn die here wouldn't have fitted in the context of what the movie was trying to achieve.
So, the movie was trying to fail is what you're saying.

>explosions in space
Is Rian Johnson a hack? There are no explosions in vacuum, there are no inflammable gases!

Laser swords, space wizards, all powerful "force" exists

>Ships stop moving in space when they run out of fuel when they should continue on forever at the same speed

Then why the FUCK didn't the FO just catch up with them? Why didn't they just lightspeed jump in front of them and finish them off?
This is the worst space chase ever put on film.

yea he should have died a hero. then rose could see him as such after catching him trying to abandon ship. it wouldve been a good arc imo.

Should I also misspell things and throw in a classic "SJW" insult in for good measure alongside a pic related of Mickey mouse with large nose?

They weren't accelerating though, they were staying at a constant speed to maximise their fuel usage, the first order stayed at a constant speed too because they were toying with them and because their shields meant nothing would get through. If they had said they were accelerating it would be fine, but they were maintaining constant velocity

>So it's better to save someone you've known for less than half a day and likely cause the death of the entire resistance and plunge the galaxy under another decades long totalitarian rule, than to let one guy die and possibly stop the ram allowing everyone to escape.
All of this happened really fast. Rose simply does not have time to take all of these things into consideration. She sees what Finn is about to do and saves him. And again, this whole scene is there to support a major theme of the movie.
Also, as the other user said, we don't even know if Finn flying into the laser would even have destroyed it.
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Shields my nigga, but yeah, it was a pointless chase

Ya, or Wojak wearing the Mickey Mouse ears. Also the Wojak with a smug mask works (add some mouse ears if you’re feeling frisky)

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>And again, this whole scene is there to support a major theme of the movie.
But Rose's mentality up until that point was never run from a fight and that dying for the rebellion is alright. She then suddenly changed her mind, it's not alright, even when doing so would save the entire rebellion.

>planets have enough gravity to noticeably pull lasers
oh no
no no

It was a weak message in an ultimately weak movie.
The defenders are worshipping this shit like they did with the fucking Prequels. Disgusting.

They could've destroyed their shields faster had they just sent out more fighters.
Fucking Christ, this movie is bullshit.

>Rey's parents: who cares
Legitimately one of the few good points from the movie.

>But Rose's mentality up until that point was never run from a fight and that dying for the rebellion is alright.
That was during her establishing scene. In the fight, she realizes that she cares about Finn too much to just let him die. Again, while these two scenes seem to clash when you look at them in a vacuum, they actually make a lot of sense because of the whole bonding between the two.

>Rose simply does not have time to take all of these things into consideration.
And this means what she did was good or smart how? She still put the whole resistance at risk for a guy she has known for less than half a day
>And again, this whole scene is there to support a major theme of the movie.
Again, this doesn't make it any less stupid or dangerous on Rose's part, regardless of how well it ties into the films themes.
>Also, as the other user said, we don't even know if Finn flying into the laser would even have destroyed it.
It probably wouldn't have, I'll agree with you there , but it was literally their only option as to destroying or at the very least delaying the ram, they didn't know if it would help, but at the very least it would give them some more time to find an exit, it was their best option and Rose stopping that not only put herself in danger, it put everyone else in danger too
Can you please explain to me how this was either a good thing or are the very least not negative

Meant for

Perhaps their hyperspace tracker wouldn't have been able to continue tracking them if they had jumped ahead to another position and the rebel ships jumped somewhere else as soon as the First Order left.

what did you expect from a coalburning slit eye

>And this means what she did was good or smart how? She still put the whole resistance at risk for a guy she has known for less than half a day

She didn't put the resistance anymore at risk because of her actions, as Finn's piece of shit salt-jetski wasn't going to actually make it into the mouth of the cannon and destroy it, as evident by the fact it was shredding around him as soon as it got into the laser's path.

>and the rebel ships jumped somewhere else as soon as the First Order left.
THEY WERE OUT OF MOTHERFUCKING FUEL. The FO could've EASILY finished them, but "le plot armor is your friend" prevented them from doing so.

See it might have been if Rey was a basic force user, but now you have the fact that she has no powerful force users in her lineage so she's probably going to have to be a new chosen one given that shes ridiculously good with the force and lightsabre combat with next to no training, not even Anakin or Luke were this good. There being a new chosen one renders the previous two trilogies pointless as Anakin clearly wasn't the chosen one after all and Vader's redemption means nothing as he didn't bring balance to the force

>And this means what she did was good or smart how?
I didn't say it wasn't stupid. I just tried to explain why Rose would come to this conclusion.
Imo this whole discussion boils down to whether you think Rose saving Finn was a shitty thing to do or not. I can definitely see why it would piss people off, but personally I didn't mind it at all. For me it was a nice scene that wrapped up the respective character arcs of Finn, Poe and Rose at the same time.

>THEY WERE OUT OF MOTHERFUCKING FUEL. The FO could've EASILY finished them, but "le plot armor is your friend" prevented them from doing so.

They weren't out of fuel to the point where they couldn't jump. They stated that as soon as the chase began, but noted it would deplete their fuel too much thereafter, and would be pointless because of the hyperspace tracking.

Are you implying Shmi Skywalker was an adept force user, and that's where Anakin got it from? No, he was good with the force despite his mother having zero affinity toward it.

>She didn't put the resistance anymore at risk because of her actions
SHE DIRECTLY DID, YOU BRAINDEAD MORON.
Just because because the skimmers were falling apart doesn't mean that a kamikaze attack wouldn't have destroyed the fucking cannon, dipshit.
There were kamikaze pilots back in WWII whose planes were shredding from continuous direct hits from bullets and the like, and as they burst into flames, the pilots would ensure a sacrificial attack no matter how damaged their machines were.
The entire "message" and Rose's actions were pure fucking autism, and no amount of damage control is going to fix that, cretin. Get fucked.

I'm 90% sure that Rian made TLJ shit on purpose.

the US navy literally crashes their own ships together all the time

Everyone in this trilogy suffers from powerscaling. Yes, she's super strong, but I'm willing to accept that as force mumbo jumbo. Everyone hated the prequel prophecy and I doubt they'd bring one back.
More importantly, it shows that you don't have to be a Skywalker to be a relevant jedi.

Rose's conclusion is as shitty as the film's shit message. Doesn't make the film any less stupid, user.

>She didn't put the resistance anymore at risk because of her actions
I know it didn't, but in the context of the movie, Finn possibly crashing into ram *could* have destroyed it or delayed it if successful, it likely wouldn't have but it was there best bet. Rose prevented that, again in the moment it was the best thing they could have done to try and stop the ram, it's a risk they had to take and it was stupid for rose to stop that if Finn could have succeeded.

>Can you please explain to me how this was either a good thing or are the very least not negative
In this movie, the Resistance is on its absolute last legs. Rose's sister died in an attack that was caused by Poe disobeying orders. She sees that as heroic, but over the course of the movie (like everyone else) finds out about learning from failure, and the importance of making the right choice (she and Finn are partially responsible for the mutiny, all because of a plan that failed). In that moment, Finn is about to disobey orders and make another stupid decision that would get him killed. She decides to stop him because he's making the same kind of mistake that got her sister killed, and for no reason.

>More importantly, it shows that you don't have to be a Skywalker to be a relevant jedi.
There has been literally only two Skywalker Jedi.

I disagree, the message was handed very nicely imo.
This user explained it very well.

I guess that makes sense, at least you can see why it's annoying to me rather than claiming it was the best possible thing to do

And they were both the main characters of their trilogies.

>was this film riddled with giant plot holes and stupid scenes?
Yes.

My man, that shit wasn't going to work. He wasn't even all that close to the cannon.

>I disagree, the message was handed very nicely imo
Yeah, very nicely garbage. I agree. It never failed at failing.

>bomber fleet instakilling a fucking dreadnaught because apparently only the poor resistance can afford shields
>the last remaining bomber surrounded by 100's of tie fighters somehow manages to not get killed
>forcefully inserted Rose character makes Finn go from a major character to a completely pointless one
>Rose along with the terrible writing makes the movie feel like a disney channel sitcom
>constant cliche lines
>alien races inserted for MERCHANDI$ING (porgs, those crystal dogs), not to make the movie settings interesting like previous movies
>entire casino story arc is pointless and felt like a very forced communist plug
>characters constantly make decisions that make me wonder, "huh, I know exactly zero people that would make that decision if put in that situation."
>heavy Mary Sue action for Rey and Leia
>Luke character development from 3 movies is thrown in the trash to advance the Mary Sue level of Rey
>piss poor acting in general except Kylo and Rey
>many key plot elements based on faulty understanding of absolutely rudimentary principles of physics
>somehow more shitty cgi and effects than the prequels
>SOMEHOW MADE ME THINK THE PREQUELS WERE FUCKING MASTERPIECES INCLUDING THE PHANTOM MENACE WHICH I HATED BUT NOW THINK WAS AWESOME BECAUSE OF DARTH JAR JAR BINKS

He was good with the force because he was created BY the force, he's the chosen one. Luke and Kylo are strong with the force because of their father and grandfather respectively.
Rey it literally better and learning the force and lightsabre combat (which is VERY different from normal combat as the blade has no mass) than the literal chosen one, the embodiment of the force, Anakin had to train for decades and wasn't able to achieve in years what Rey has in literally less than a week

Okay user, you can stop posting "witty" replies now.

These are really nitpicky shitty complaints where theirs room for waaaaaay better criticism

How are the bombs released? Haven't seen a webm yet.

They get dropped WW2 style

He was but a mere few yards away.
You juse want to believe as though it wouldn't so you can pretend as though the feminist/diversity quota self-insert was "correct" when she wasn't.
The film's message was an insult to the sacrifices that came before, and in a franchise that's supposed to be about hope, this movie destroys the soul of what Star Wars is.
And parasites like you are ruining the value of entertainment, hence why the film industry is getting worse.

>He was good with the force because he was created BY the force
Otherwise known as autistic writing.

>and in a franchise that's supposed to be about hope, this movie destroys the soul of what Star Wars is
Did we watch the same movie? Hope is one of the central themes of the movie.

>dropped
>in space

>Hope is one of the central themes of the movie.
Which Rose shat all over.

That's kind of dumb then.
It wouldn't have been that hard to show them getting propelled out. Just a little airblast sending them down or something.

>In spite of the fact it could hurt the resistance, Rose saves Finn because she has hope they and the Resistance will survive the First Order onslaught.
>Movie hurts the central Star Wars theme of hope.

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