I'm not exaggerating when I say that this film was a franchise killer...

I'm not exaggerating when I say that this film was a franchise killer. They've torn down every plot point built up in The Force Awakens, shrunk the universe down to a microscopic size, and written themselves into a corner, and the worst part is that they've somehow done it without advancing the story? This next film is the last part of a trilogy. Does it honestly feel like we've been through two movies? Nothing has been accomplished. Nobody has progressed as a character. It feels like nothing has happened. How the FUCK are they going to fix this in the next film?

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>this next film is the last part of a trilogy
Jesus Christ, you're right. They've accomplished literally nothing. This trilogy still feels "new" and its almost over.

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I'm never spending money on Star Wars again. I don't care what they do with IX, because I won't be seeing it.

This 'trilogy' is going to be supplemented by anthology films about Maz and Poe and Snoke. I guarantee it. This isn't a coherent, self-contained story told in three installments. If it were, the cruiser from TLJ wouldn't have been named after the Mon Cal admiral from R1.

>shrunk the universe down to a microscopic size

I feel that this is a criticism not mentioned enough. I didn't buy for a second that the fate of billions of planets in the galaxy rested in 50 rebels, nor that the first order was supposed to be an omnipresent powerhouse capable of bringing the whole galaxy to its knees.

In the ending, I just took the fact that none of the "allies in the outer rim" (????????) showed up as a sign that it was just a small conflict and that the galaxy didn't even fucking care.

It was also jarring that they expected them to arrive in 10 minutes. Even with hyperspace travelling, it has been long established that you don't just teleport instantly from one end of the galaxy to the other end. So Leia being disappointed when nobody arrives in less time that it takes for a pizza to arrive to my house also stuck out as retarded to me.

Fuck I can't even talk about a minor point in this fucking movie because the whole thing starts unraveling at every single point.

>make a movie about losing faith and walking away, letting go of the past
>the old fans lose faith and walk away, letting go of Star Wars

whoa so meta

>Luke dies and none of the characters care now
>Star Wars dies and none of the fans care now

>I can't even talk about a minor point in this fucking movie because the whole thing starts unraveling at every single point.
This. It's fucking astonishing how poorly thought out this movie was. I'm actually amazed at the level of incompetence we're talking about here. It has to have been deliberate. Either that or they filmed it in a week, without having ever seen another Star Wars film.

This is what happens when you give a director total freedom. They gave Rian the keys to Star Wars, and let's not forget that fans wanted Rian Johnson, ignoring the fact he loves to deconstruct shit, making him a very bad choice for Star Wars to anyone who has seen his prior work.

>shrunk the universe
Have you not seen the OT? Its about the characters, obviously the scope isnt big.

I swear you all have completely retarded opinions. You can dislike TLJ if you want but please for real reason. Also the franchise got killed by TFA already.

I am livid whenever I hear them say 'lightspeed' in this trilogy because I can't even think of a time when 'hyperspace' is mentioned and 'lightspeed' is quite literally the wrong word for how fast they go
JJ Abrams needs to learn how fast light moves and what that means in relation to an observer's distance from an object
Pic related, how could they see the Hosnian system be destroyed from Maz's planet?
We should call an exterminator, this board has a mouse problem

>tore every plot point

This, what fucking idiot approved of Reys parents secret being "hurr junkers sold her to slavery."

If she was Sheev's granddaughter it would cover so much shit

>Kylo: wants her because shes a girl and gives the FO legitimacy if she rules with her as the daughter of one of Sheev's bastards
>Luke: Scared of her because she's the granddaughter of the one man he couldn't defeat and she inherited Sheev's power

Brainlet here. What's the difference between hyperspace and lightspeed? I thought Han Solo used them interchangeably in the original trilogy.

this is the only sensible thing really. the writing on the wall is that hollywood will continue to do this until they either dwindle out or force the cultural pendulum back where they want it. fuck franchises and fandoms, and smartphones and nerd culture and all of this shit

can we just burn it down?

It's almost like they have the director too much freedom.

it would take thousands of years to go from one planet in the galaxy to another if you were going at light speed.

>Sold to slavery
Actually yeah, what even is that? If she was sold, why in the first movie was she allowed to just roam around, doing whatever she wanted?Why was she able to sell what she scavenged for food? If she was a slave, she wouldn't have had a choice in selling BB-8 or not.

So what the fuck?

"lightspeed" and "hyperspace" were always used interchangably in the OT you fucking autist, and somehow Han is able to get to Bespin without a functional hyperdrive

STAR WARS IS NOT A FUCKING SCIENCE LESSON

starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hyperspace

>Hyperspacewas an alternate dimension that could only be reached by traveling at or faster than thespeed of light

And hyperspace is a parallel dimension that's only explained to be dangerous and hard to navigate while permitting faster than light travel
No, it's not a science lesson, but it's a fucking story with rules that give the action that takes place meaning, you fucking idiot

Wholeheartedly agreed.

They say light-speed instead of hyperspace all the time in the OT. Just turn off your brain.

>make a movie about losing faith and walking away, letting go of the past

They failed at doing that since for all the shit with Luke they still boiled the story back down to a Rebels vs Empire scenario

Maybe they have to accelerate to lightspeed in order to enter hyperspace

Do they say hyperspace at all in these movies?
Maybe they do but then they're traveling faster than light, not AT lightspeed, for 99% of the journey, and they'd have to accelerate hard enough to kill them without something to explain why they're not dead.

Also explains her having a British... ahem, Coruscanti accent despite being raised in boonies

The slavery thing makes no sense with what we’ve seen and was just a lazy, contemptuous throw-in bc the idiot director thought it would make that one line sound cooler

Well I think we learned why after JJ read the script a few years back he wanted to direct this film, probably because he would've corrected all the things in the script that were shitting on TFA.

>Do they say hyperspace at all in these movies?

It's used interchangeably. Admiral Ackbar says "prepare to jump to hyperspace on my mark" when prepping the fleet before the Battle of Endor

it's just wikifags and loreautists endlessly scrutinize the new movies yet give the OT a free pass

I'm asking you about the the sequels, you context-blind faggot

If you actually paid to see this shit you should feel bad

What if you pay for a commission drawing of Luke sucking Ayy cow titties?

I actually liked 7, and I thought Rogue One was decent, but this movie fucking broke me.

Look man, I get that you're trying to sound smart, but think this one through. If TFA, a two hour fanservice trailer about the OT, didn't kill the franchise, and a shitty spinoff didn't kill the franchise, then you're going to have to have a pretty good argument as to why the same manchildren aren't going to make IX a billion dollar film as well.

Rian Johnson and Kathleen have a vision...

...That vision has so far cost Disney $600 million dollars, lol, kek...let's not get into additional costs from merchandise and lost revenue on future movies...

You are wrong about TFA, even though it is a TNH ripoff, it still has a foundation to make something interesting, they just disregard everything and made terrible sequel

Rian Jonhson could have appeared on screen, looked directly into the camera, and said "Fuck you, nerd. Thanks for the ticket money." for two and a half hours, and it would have had the same effect. I left the theater feeling personally insulted.

I think "Lightspeed" in the Star Wars universe is like Back to the Future.
You hit "Speed X" then you auto-jump to "Hyperspace" rather than time travel.
Hyper-drives enable this transition.

The OT are messy with terminology, but it had consistency in what we actually see happen and how the characters make use of it.

>Oh look we randomly found and know how to fly the falcon
>Oh look rey is pulling magic powers out of her ass to solve every dilemma
>Oh I guess we need a plot, better rehash the Death Star
>Hey remember your favorite iconic characters? Yeah we undid all of their character development
>Hey remember all the things that happened in the OT? Yeah we undid all that so we could defeat the empire again
>"U need teh force" *closes eyes* "I has all teh force now" *Effortlessly defeats trained Sith*

No, just no.

>Han is able to get to Bespin without a functional hyperdrive

It was nearby and he said "I think we can make it". Then an undetermined amount of time passes in between,
and Han & Leia's relationship has deepened by the time they get there = they were an established couple and had been banging.
Luke was doing his training during those weeks/months. Chewie and 3PO played a lot of uncomfortable space chess.

To be fair, though, it wouldn't be that plausible since Sheev didn't seem like the type of person that goes spreading his seed around by the time of the OT. However, if he did learn how to manipulate the midichlorians to create life from Darth Plagueis, then perhaps he didn't have to.

This. I didn't spend money on 8 because 7 burned me, but I won't even spend my TIME on 9.

This is legitimately the one thing that pissed me off both in TLJ and TFA, the condensation of space

In the OT, It’s never really clear how long it takes to get from one point in the galaxy to another, there’s an unspoken passage of time and while they seem to get somewhere fast, it’s ambiguous as to whether it’s been hours or days - example, ep5 it seems like it takes a day or two for Luke to meet up with han and leia on bespin

In ep2 they take like a big cruise liner to go from coruscant to naboo, that ship didnt have lodgings?

Star tours is fucking canon?

Which brings me back to the force awakens when Leia arrives on Takodanna using a.... fucking star tours ship with like five cot-seats for her crew and no quarters or anything. What the fugg?

Im with you. Not one red cent. Fuck Disney

Them being no one special could have worked if it was handled right, if she'd been given a personality to back up her search for identity. But nothing was handled right.

>an undetermined amount of time passes

This right here is what im talking about, this allowed people to interpret either long or short stretches of time that way and make sense of the travel time without comitting to something nonsensical like “we’re at the edge of the galaxy now” only to look stupid to other people

This. Great post. What kind of idiot would want all the events of a Star Wars movie to happen in 18 hours, immediately following the previous installment? What did Disney®™ mean by this?

>'Let the past die. Kill it if you have to'
>mfw this is Disney literally telling old fans to go fuck themselves

JJ Abrams is going to 100% backpedal on this and write it in as Kylo lying to stick it to Johnson

The ONLY thing I liked about this movie was the force bond between Rey and Kylo. How do you guys feel about it?

>third film in the trilogy
>"What I told you was true..."
>"...from a certain point of view."

I honestly loved it. But it went nowhere when they made the parallel with Luke and Leia doing it and then didn't make Kylo and Rey brother and sister.

Rian didn't just throw away the OT, PT and JJ's stuff. He didn't even follow through on his own setups in his own shitty movie.

But honestly, while it could have been shot better (almost all like when Luke sees kylo actually there with Rey) I thought it was legitimately a great idea and plot point.

We're coming to a point where there are more bad movies than good ones in the series. No single incarnation is going to kill it outright, but there's only so much we can take, and arguably this film has done the most damage.

>implying JJ Abrams is smart enough to use lines from the OT
"Could your parents at least point me to Atlantis? There's only one God, ma'am, and He doesn't dress like that."

What I don't understand is how everyone believes that Kylo is this irredeemable evil shitbird. Compared to Darth Vader, Kylo is a fucking girl scout. How can Luke say with a straight face that Kylo can't be turned when he was able to turn the most fearsome mega-Hitler the galaxy has ever seen? Shit like this is mind boggling to me

Friendly reminder that everyone who hates TLJ is a fanboy manchild

TFA is released
>it's too similar!!!

TLJ is released
>it's too different!!!!

>Uuuuugh that part was SO BAD!!! They wasted so much time on a stupid comedy scene where the Falcon is in some dumb worm's mouth! It doesn't effect the plot at all, it's unrealistic that there's air and bat-monsters in a stomach and we never even find out the worm's backstory!"
>This guy Lando shows up in the third act who we never even heard of before and Han acts like he's all important - WTF!? They were supposed to tell us about that Jabba guy!"
>Obi-Wan said The Force and Jedi were all about Knights and Arthurian-type stuff, but now the Stupid Puppet has Luke doing all kinds of Asian Buddha meditation shit - goddamn SJWs!!"
>Luke goes into a magic tree and fights Vader but it's like a dream? BULLSHIT! There were no dreams or visions in the first one - Kasdan has no respect for the established aesthetic!"

talkfilmsociety.com/articles/star-wars-the-force-awakens-the-last-jedi-and-nostalgias-trickery

youtube.com/watch?v=_7UKW-dgZMU

I honestly wouldn't mind a Poe anthology film just because I love Oscar Isaac so much. And I don't really care about Maz but she has potential for an interesting story to be told.

I don't know, it sucks that we're going to have to wait for this trilogy to end before we get more actual good films, but the side story films are actually the more interesting ones in the franchise right now and I'm hopeful they can keep that up.

This pasta's seriously over-cooked, mouse. Get back in the kitchen.

>Cloud City
>the third act
LOL WUT

This movie failed to understand Luke as a character, and his arc/growth in the OT in the same way Lucas never actually understood what the force was when he wrote midichlorians into the Prequels.

It's like someone forgot to tell the directors this was supposed to be a trilogy.

>How the FUCK are they going to fix this in the next film?
Who cares? It was absolute garbage, but it actually gave me a great sense of closure, that I no longer have to care, see, nor support this trash anymore. Unironically made me hate the entire franchise, ebaying the few trinkets I have right now.

JJ submitted the scrip for the next one in October, two months ago October.

I don't think she would have worked as a descendent of Sheev because him having a relationship like that with another human being would have been completely out of nowhere.

I think she should have been his clone
>Sheev was experimenting with immortality by creating all sorts of clones
>males, females whatever. Anything to see which one would serve him best as a vessel after his original body dies
>Dies before learning how to transfer his spirit
>clones still exist
>Luke discovers the facility and destroys all of the adult clones
>Flashback to Anakin in the Temple
>Luke can't bring himself to kill a child
>Can't train her because he fears she'd be destined to fall to the dark side
>has her dropped off on Jakku instead, out of the way and hopefully never to be found by people who would abuse/take advantage of her

To be fair, all his most fucked up actions (rrzcept Han) are offscreen before this trilogy even happens.

I know the super deathstar from TFA gets a lot of hate and looked over for being garbage but they massacred planets there.

I don't give a fuck how you feel that's worse. And just the ruthlessness of Kylo in the opening scene of TFA when he orders men to burn the village is more savage than what we saw personally from vader.

While I don't think Kylo is better, or that he even holds a candle the fucking kid has done enough that this response is even more bullshit than people liking TLJ.

I'm sick of you "what has Kylo done" faggots. You give criticism a bad name. It's like picking Ben Affleck to complain about with the DC flicks.

this

Only two and arguably three movies out of nine are any good

because dude remember how luke was a bitch who quit in the OT!?!?!

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to clarify, I don't think he's less redeemable. He's actually shown to be more conflicted because vader showed almost zero emotion by this point in his trilogy.

But as far as what's been seen on screen he's more ruthless. Even if Vader was more resolute.

this for this:
whol OT is great if you keep in mind that ANH was not a part of a series. Only time people shit on that is in the grand scheme of the story.

Vader reduced luke's foster parents to smoldering bloody skeletons. That was pretty fucked.

When Luke said in the trailer "this is not going to go the way you think" he was warning us!

RoTJ is definitely weak compared to ANH and ESB, but it closes out whats a pretty great trilogy, so Id include it as good. But if you look at all nine Star Wars movies, you'd have to say that Star Wars sucks more than its good

>RoTJ is definitely weak compared to ANH and ESB
Pleb detected. RotJ is the best of the three.

Kek get over it dumb nerds. SW was never good. The OT had a simple but okayish story, it was full of dumb and silly shit, and the dialogue was extremely poorly written. Mark Hamill called it the silliest thing he read and Guiness shat on it until the day he died calling it childish rubbish.

No, he didn't. It was offscreen and it's implied with the added scenes in the 90s versions that it was just an outfit of troopers looking for him.

I don't recall vader ever being on tatooine in the OT.

I do feel bad. Please forgive me. In exchange, I swear to do my best to boycott all Disney products and services if that's at all possible. I have also been discouraging others from seeing it irl.

I actually find the film unironically bigoted with its steryotyping.

I guarantee it was that or she was Luke's kid. Daisy is on record saying she thought who Rey's parets were should be obvious.

JJ probably just got really butthurt


>Lost: They're all dead ad its purgatory
>nuh uh
>turns out it was exactly what we thought

>Star Trek: it's fucking Khan
>nuh uh
>turns out it was exactly what he thought

So when everyone guessed who Rey's parents was they couldn't come up with something better so they literally just dropped the entire thing.

I'm not exaggerating when I say your brain must be the size of a peanut if you think TFA wasn't the nail in the coffin but TLJ is. Everything wrong with it can be traced back to JJ.

>>Lost: They're all dead ad its purgatory
>>nuh uh
>>turns out it was exactly what we thought
the Flash-Sideways isn't the Island you retarded pleb

The series is based in old serials, maybe they should scrap the trilogy structure all together instead of trying to tie all this up in another two hours

>Mark Hamill called it the silliest thing he read
Really? Mark Hamill? The guy who read all these lines?
youtube.com/watch?v=IDwYNXEkHPg

The guy who did an extremely cheesy low budget version of The Guyver?

The guy who did Slipstream?

That Mark Hamill called Star Wars the silliest thing he'd ever read?

Yeah and then at the end every dead character is together in a church and Jack goes inside when he dies, symbolizing something

>durr dis bilm ruined francheese
>prequels exist

There are only two people with a British accent in Star Wars. Palpatine and Obi-Wan. They're the only two it could possibly be.

You may want to rethink what you just said

Why don't YOU think about what I just said, buddy?

youtube.com/watch?v=en8bh60K7m8

The best scene of the OT is in ROTJ.

Tarkin has a British accent
That guy who says "Intensify the forward firepower" has one
And before you tell me 'hurr that's not the specific kind of British I meant' you should consider the fact that I'm American and don't care about the different parts of England

"F minus, minus, nigga!"

youtube.com/watch?v=nHjUTJwnT9Q

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Spotted the cis white male.

Doesnt make up for the Jabba part and Endor shitting up the whole rest of the movie

Yes that Mark. He's a paid actor who gets paid to pretend to be somebody else. He has been shitting on SW since forever, last jedi is nothing new and he's not wrong.

Tarkin is dead so there's no way it could be him.

>he gets paid not to shit on those things but nobody pays him not to shit on Star Wars

Accents aren't genetic anyway, whoever her father is she was abandoned as a kid and there's no reason to think that her parents spoke the language she speaks in the movies. She's fluent in Wookiee and droid.

could you imagine being jj abrams right now

you made the first movie leaving a bunch of questions to be answered, and this faggot comes in and shits all over it and destroys everything you built up. now you have to come back in and somehow fix all this shit. he must be on suicide watch

How much of a fucking brainlet do you have to be not to see that this was a red herring so they can pull the WOW ACTUALLY SHE WAS THE CHOSEN ONE ALL ALONG in IX?
Seriously Sup Forums is just as bad as normies when it comes to this movie.