Name two more hate-able people in comic industry

Name two more hate-able people in comic industry.
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Ike.
That Green Lantern writer with all the child porn.
Wertham.
Fletcher Hanks.
Loeb.

All worse than Lee, who is only hated by casuals who fell for memes.

Agree except ike and loeb.

>lumping Lee in with Kane
This is hardly fair, especially since I'm pretty sure Stan Lee was one of the first writers to give equal billing to the artists. It was Stan Lee AND Jack Kirby, or Stan Lee AND Steve Ditko, yes he parlayed his half of the credits into greater fame and some would say infamy, but it''s nowhere on the order of magnitude of what Kane did.

Not just artists, Lee also is the reason they gave credit to inkers, colorists, and letterers.

Lee did nothing wrong.

Wertham wasn't in the comics industry. Not only that, but he was AGAINST the CCA.

Yeah. Stan Lee was responsible for putting Wally Wood's name on the cover on Daredevil and giving an artist credit on the cover was unheard of then.

The only problem with Stan Lee is that he's too good at selling himself. Often at the expense of others but he never did a thing to bury anyone else's work or legacy.

>That Green Lantern writer with all the child porn.
Eh?

Alan Moore: pretentious cock-stain who resents the success of his work

Ken Penders: No talent hack who single handedly destroyed the Sonic the Hedgehog comic series.

Gerard Jones, the king of cp.

James Robinson, only interesting work is the golden age.

I know he's great and probably in the top 5 greatest of all time but I hate hear Steranko talk about anything. I adore his work but any time there is a panel on anything that he is a speaker on he ruins it by making it all about him.

"As long as John Byrne is still alive, I’ll never be the most despised man in comics" - Howard Chaykin

>That Green Lantern writer with all the child porn.
Gerard Jones was still a very fun writer, even if he's a fucked up dude.

>Stan dindu noffin
Found the marvel intern

rob liefeld.

could someone give me a quick rundown on this? I don't feel like looking it up.

>Gerard Jones, the king of cp.
Get on Byrne's level why don't you.

Dudes very sick.

He did create prime. Fitting for a pedo.

Nah. Bryne isnt a pedo. Liking teen girls is normal.

While jones is a baby fucker.

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>teen girls
She's twelve-teen?

Fuck...

Was Toshio Maeda guest authoring that issue?

people who talk shit about lee haven't read about comic history.

I don't understand why people love talk aobut things they don't know on an anonymous imageboard. there's nothing to gain here.

>That Green Lantern writer with all the child porn.

hol' up

what did he do exactly? I don't feel like entering child porn into google.

Hot.

That's Byrne's "Fine, I'll do my Own X-Men, with hookers and blackjack (and lolis)"
He wrote and drew it.

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>26 replies and no one has posted the most hated person in the history of the industry
as usual he's winning.

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What.

He got caught with child pornography on his computer. And not just something like "this could be a mistake he might have accidentally download some almost legal porn". It was hundreds and hundreds of images of kiddy porn.

John Byrne
Mark Millar
Jeph Loeb

Hating based Stan,OK.

There's a good reason why Byrne's contributions to the Big Two have been scrubbed.
Galactus being some cosmic not-villain is pretty much the only bit of his writing that still exists.

I find it hilarious when people use Byrne to validate Man of Murder. His fetishes really ran away with him in the later issues of his Superman run, and later the Next Men after he'd been ditched.

Ok Kane can stay, but also Ike, bendis? bendis., millar, whichever editor greenlighted shit like Identity Crisis, quesada, brevoort...

Nice

>Real
it's just a marvel intern, you marvel intern

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Anyone can be a smarmy dick.

The video where Lee is a condescending prick to Wally Wood and Jack Davis is what turned me off the guy for life

wonder what drives someone to do that.

also

>posting to youtube

really? of all the places?

>Byrne's contributions to the Big Two have been scrubbed
>DC will publish The DC Universe by John Byrne
absolute mad men

It's a shame Hypercrisis will never bring back "Superman stars in porn" or the rest of it.

Mentall illness. Some pedos also secretly want to be exposed or a cry for help.

>being a dick to wally wood
Unforgivable. Absolutely disgusting, I would punch his dick

Nearly every story but the pocket universe is back in.

The guy who did Starman? Are you mad? That's the best run of any comic ever written, only arguably second to Simonson's Thor

Youtube has some inappropriate stuff if you know how to find it. Sometimes it gets posted on boards like Sup Forums.

Pleb.

brian michael bendis

rich johnston

Rob.

- Flooded the 90's with godawful art that influenced the industry for nearly a decade.
- Flooded the 90's with godawful writing that appealed to 12-year-old boys and absolutely nobody else.
- Traced/swiped regularly, as recently as last year when he was asked to do a promotional poster for Deadpool.
- Has made millions off of other people's characters. (Deadpool's credit really should go to Nicieza and Wolfman/Perez, yet Liefeld has ownership rights)
- Was so goddamn lazy that the editor of Valiant had to camp outside Rob's house for a week to badger him into finishing his part of a crossover, which at that time was already over a year late.
- Threw an embarrassing shit-fit on Twitter when Shatterstar was written as bisexual.
- Got Simone kicked out of Marvel because he hated how she wrote pre-cashcow Deadpool. (You know, the well-regarded Agent X storyline?)
- Has a reputation for being incredibly difficult to work with: left Marvel, Image, and DC at various points with an ocean of bad blood and grudges behind him. Jim Lee and Robert Kirkman seem to be the only people in the industry willing to stick their neck out for him.

He seems to be getting better, though. He backpedaled on the Shatterstar thing and claimed it was a joke, and has been playing nice with people now that movie money is on the table and he doesn't actually have to do any work. Plus, he comes across as a big charming kid during interviews and fan interactions. To his credit, he just seems lucky and stupid rather than actually being a scumbag.

what's the comic he made called

slot, moore, quesadilla, and bendis just to name a few

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>Flooded the 90's with godawful art that influenced the industry for nearly a decade.
Was he that influential? I mean, it's hard to trace if it was Jim Lee, Ron Lim, Erik Larsen, McFarlane... oh well, I still kinda like it.

>Flooded the 90's with godawful writing that appealed to 12-year-old boys and absolutely nobody else.
You think that's bad, you must have missed the early 00s.

I put aside about $200 dollars to take myself to a fancy restaurant and a relaxing day of celebration the day Stan lee dies.

Might save some more to make it a week long thing, to really savor the moment.

I'm not saying other people aren't worse, just that Rob is a particularly easy person to hate.

He's an obvious target.

>all the normie tears that will be shed

I'll join you in cracking open a special beer

McFarlane always seemed like the far more professional one between him and Liefeld, and even then he has the whole Gaiman/Medieval Spawn skeleton in his closet.

Jokes on you, it'll never happen.

>$200 dollars to take myself to a fancy restaurant and a relaxing day
what fucking fancy restaurant and relaxation can 200$ buy? you fucking poorfag.

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>what fucking fancy restaurant and relaxation can 200$ buy?

That's why YOU'RE the poorfag, because you can't manage your money. Faggot.

if the account has a good interest rate then by the time it happen your great grandkids will be able to go on vacation all week with that money

Look, Bendis is shit, we know. But he wasn't always shit, and even his current level of shit has nothing on Kane.

I love how Stan's haters never make any specific accusations, they just REALLY want you to know that they don't CONFORM, man, and to know that they take pleasure in other people's suffering, living life on the razor's edge, man.

I think it's just a manifestation of Sup Forums's "if normies are aware of something, hate it to show how non-normie you are". I understand being sick of all his cameos, esp. in movies of characters he didn't co-create, but they never specifically say that's what they're mad about. They never specifically address anything.

Or maybe they agree with Kirby that Lee was something of an asshole back in the 70's.

>Takes credit for work he never created
>Was a complete dick

I mean that's just for starters

Nah, at the rate of inflation, by the time Stan Lee dies, $200 will be able to buy you one issue of Marvel's new All #1s, All The Time line.

>Takes credit for work he never created
>Was a complete dick
Examples?

Already pregnant by 12. That is some Jaycee Dugard shit right there.

All the people I know who think Stan Lee took all of Steve and Jack's credit are all so fucking annoying and tip their fedora while going "Well, actually..." at everything. I'm not even saying this as a Marvel shill, because some of Stan's comics can be unreadable, and Jack was definitely fucked over throughout his life, but the people who accuse Stan of taking credit for all the work haven't read many Kirby or Ditko comics. They haven't read Mr. A or Captain Victory and noticed the difference in the writing between those and their Marvel work. There's too distinct a difference in the comics they did with Stan and the ones they didn't to say that Stan did fuck-all when collaborating with them.

I remember when reading one of Warren Ellis' essays, and he takes a middle of the road stance by saying that Stan was overworked as it is by editing and having to directly work on every comic going on that he had to invent the Marvel Method to lighten the load, but when people started cheering him on as the face of Marvel, he took it rather than fighting for his co-creators to have a chance in the spotlight. And by the time he realized that mistake and called Jack and Steve to make amends, it was too late.

Bendis

Bob Harras

John Byrne

What did Harras do?

You Rage You Lose.

You realize Stan doesn't get royalties either right?

Who wasn't an asshole in the 70s?

Stan was a pretty shitty company man, but he was not near the levels of shittiness of Bob Kane.

such as?

I'm glad that, even though our opinions vary in regards to Stan, every single one of us agrees that Bob Kane was a piece of shit.
It's extremely rare for there to be something we can all mostly agree on.

>rage
Wrong emotion, dude. This is hilarious.

Silver Surfer and Captain America stand out to me, with the Surfer being Jack's own, independent creation that wasn't brainstormed with Lee, and Captain America being HIS baby.

Kane is a 100x worse, though.

As talented as he was, Jack Kirby was always a bitter prick who was never happy no matter where he worked, they were both assholes.
>I said to him, ‘Jack, why don’t you work for Marvel with me?’ I was the art director at the time. I said, ‘You be the art director. I’ll just be the editor and head writer, and you’ll have that security.’ He wouldn’t do it. He didn’t want a staff job.
Jack then went to DC and took a very mean spirited jab at Stan with Funky Flashman. Stan was an asshole at times yes, but Kirby was no saint either

He has said over and over again that his story contributions were minimal. He wrote the dialogue and except use veto power. I'm a total kirbyfag, but there's room in my heart for Stan.

I distinctly recall as a kid though, being made aware that Surfer WAS specifically a Kirby creation. I don't remember where, but it was definitely something I read, and since I didn't have internet or Wizard magazines, I must've read it in some Marvel editor's page.

>Bob had gotten to the point where he never drew anything. Never drew anything on the Batman comics, anyway. [Sheldon] Moldoff was ghosting them all and when he didn’t, someone else did. The only thing I think Bob ever drew was when we’d be out somewhere, in a restaurant or someplace, and a pretty girl would come over to him and say, ‘Are you really the man who draws Batman?’ Then he could whip out a little sketch for her, a big sketch if she was wearing something low-cut and would bend over to watch him draw.
>One day I’m over at his house to discuss this newspaper strip idea we had and he’s talking about who we might get to draw it. I was going to write it and we were going to get someone else to draw it. I’m not sure what Bob was going to do on it except sign his name. I said to him, 'Bob, isn’t it disappointing to you that you don’t draw any more? You were once such a great artist.’ He wasn’t but you had to talk to Bob that way.
>He said, 'Oh, no. Let me show you something.’ He took me into a little room in his house. It was his studio. I didn’t even know he still had a studio. It was all set up with easels and things and there were paintings, paintings of clowns. You know the kind. Like the ones Red Skelton used to do. Just these insipid portraits of clowns, all signed very large, 'Bob Kane.’ He was so proud of them.
>He said, 'These are the paintings that are going to make me in the world of art. Batman was a big deal in one world and these paintings will soon be in every gallery in the world.’ He thought the Louvre was going to take down the Mona Lisa to put up his clown paintings. I didn’t have the heart to tell him.

>So a few months later, I’m up at DC and I ran into Eddie Herron. Eddie was another writer up there and we got to talking and Bob’s name came up. Eddie said, 'Did you hear? Bob’s getting sued by one of his ghost artists.’
>I said, 'How is that possible? Shelly Moldoff’s suing Bob? But they had a clear deal. Shelly knew he wasn’t going to get credit or anything…’
>Eddie said, 'No, not Shelly.’ Bob was being sued by the person who’d painted the clowns for him…

No matter how many this story gets told, it never gets old for me.

And then Bob fell into a vat of chemicals, right ?

That storyline existed soley to 'get back' at Jack Kirby. At the time Kirby was pushing for creators rights, which made Bryne mad for some reason. So he mind controlled Big Barda, who was based on Kirby's wife, into fucking Superman on Camera.

Leifield is ok with me. Any industry -or company that can be crashed by one guy was going down anyway. Rob didn't create the environment that led to the crash, he was just the last hobo on the fuck train and got caught with his dick out.

The reasons are that he is autistic and mean as fuck.

John Byrne's one of those assholes who burned bridges with every mainstream comic company and can only find work doing indieshit.

>Anyway, Ditko was the best inker Kirby ever had! Hey, did you know that Laurel and Hardy's graves are somewhere around here?

One of the shittier things Stan did was take the Surfer book for himself instead of letting Kirby who really wanted it have it

Just gonna directly quote Wikipedia on this one.

Ahem.

>Since the closure of Dreamwave, Pat Lee has been criticized for his business practices. In an interview with Newsarama, Transformers writers Adam Patyk and James McDonough stated they had been laid off before the Dreamwave bankruptcy following a controversy about their payment, and had subsequently filed a lawsuit against Dreamwave for lack of payment. In another interview, Transformers writer Simon Furman claimed that Lee "looked [him] square in the eye and said everything’s hunky-dory" a mere month before the bankruptcy. Comic book journalist Rich Johnston repeatedly reported controversial details concerning Pat Lee, including the allegation that Dreamwave's assets and employees were shifted over to the new company Dream Engine, started by Pat Lee's brother Roger Lee, in January 2005, even before Dreamwave declared bankruptcy, the allegation that Lee had transferred ownership of a company-owned Porsche to himself prior to the Dreamwave bankruptcy, the allegation that Lee had bought an apartment for half a million Canadian dollars before the bankruptcy, a list of Dreamwave's debt and creditors, and the allegation that artist Alex Milne had been working as a ghost artist for Lee on Top Cow's Cyberforce title without being credited, with Lee eventually stopping to pay Milne when Top Cow had asked for confirmation that Lee was indeed the sole artist of the book and Milne refused to comply.

>In December 2010, Pat Lee gave Johnston an interview, in which Johnston reiterated all of the above claims. While Lee admitted that "many artists had delays in payment" even before the bankruptcy and "regret[s] not being able to speak to everyone" beforehand, he also claimed that "most creators at Dreamwave were aware that we were going through financial difficulties. We didn’t announce it, but people were not being paid in full, and it was pretty obvious." He also claimed that "I barely paid myself at Dreamwave, and didn’t pay myself for extended periods so that the company could pay other bills." Regarding the Porsche, Lee claimed that it "was leased by Dreamwave and I was personally responsible for the vehicle at the end", whereas the apartment was a "small apartment in Toronto that I paid a mortgage on". Regarding Alex Milne's work as a ghost artist on Cyberforce, Lee claimed that he "forgot to adjust the credits at the end of the job", which was "definitely my error", and offered Milne to "provide me the appropriate documentation and evidence" that "Dream Engine owed him money". He also claimed that "I don’t recall firing Alex", and that he "expressed to him via email in May 2007 that I understood he was paid in full". Other allegations brought up by Johnston in the interview, namely that Top Cow had told him that Lee had specifically assured them that he was doing all the work on Cyberforce himself, and that Marvel had told him that they were "asked to stop paying money to Dreamwave [for outsourced projects such as the X-Men/Fantastic Four limited series] but send it to Dream Engine instead", were not addressed by Lee at all. Lee also did not respond to the specific request to offer evidence to counter the claim that he was trying to "siphon money from big gigs away from Dreamwave to Dream Engine in the months before the bankruptcy".

>However, Lee announced plans to set up a "Creative Refund Movement" with the specific intention to "raise funds to pay former Dreamwave artists who were financially affected by the bankruptcy". As of 2015, no Dreamwave employees have received any monetary compensation for their work at the company through the "Creative Refund Movement".

>"It is a mistake to suppose that men succeed through success; they much oftener succeed through failures" - Pat Lee, 2006

From what I read, Kirby came up with Surfer and added him to the FF comic without Lee's knowledge, and had to explain that Galactus would need a herald. Lee liked the idea and wrote the origin story when Surfer got his own series. So Kirby is definitely the creator of the character, while Lee was the first main writer of said character.

Byrne is undeniably a creep, but to the best of anyone's knowledge, he's never had actual child porn.

True. However...
>Pedophiles are almost certainly "born that way". Again, we go to evolutionary conditioning. Seek the youngest, strongest, most healthy, for breeding purposes. A sure (or as sure as it gets) way to guarantee the survival of your genes. Pedophilia also brings along a big heaping helping of learned responses, however. In a society like ours, where "normal" sex is considered by many to be filthy and disgusting, "abnormal" sex is of course even moreso. "Abnormal" in this case meaning anything—even simple physical attraction—that is not "age-appropriate", heterosexual, and strictly for procreation. Preferably missionary position. Thus, any confused individual who finds himself attracted to young girls is likely to find himself attracted to increasingly younger girls, as part of his pattern of self-loathing. So much emotional torment—in victims and victimizers—would surely be set aside if our society was sexually liberated enough to even be able to say "Sure, it's okay to be attracted to eleven year olds." - A post by John Byrne on his personal forum, 10 years ago