It's pretty obvious who Batman will side with, right?

It's pretty obvious who Batman will side with, right?

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Justice?

His boyfriend.

he failed to protect his husbando's smile

Considering the Riddler now hates him and demands revenge for these events?

Yeah.

Joker probably kills someone close to Edward and Bats once again prevents everyone from offing the clown.

>the riddler hates him
who? the joker or batman?

oh he's definitely going to protect the joker.

Considering the fact that Joker is currently living in Batman's cave, it is pretty obvious.

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>Bats once again prevents everyone from offing the clown
This is the thing that pisses me off the most about the no-kill rule.

I will never understand just what is wrong with Kevin Smith. You'd think a Batman fanboy would have a better idea of what the fanbase wants.

>youtube.com/watch?v=EMjMKwKu9rQ&t=4s
>he doesn't understand Batman

If only it were just him. But this happens so infuriatingly often. Like pic related. Or this scene

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I mean, fine, Batman can't bring himself to kill anyone because he's a mentally scarred manchild getting off on violence who would make excuses to keep murdering people if he commited murder once and he knows this, understandable. He says as much in that scene. And he especially can't kill Joker because Joker is his litmus test and because that's what Joker wants him to do, okay, that is understandable too.
But why the fuck does he have to go to such painful lenghts to save the Joker and deny people the chance to do what he can't do ? Especially if Jason or Punisher whoever else actually can kill Joker and cope with it mentally ?
Jason literally says in that scene that he doesn't want Batman to start killing everyone, just finally put Joker down. Or at least let him do it.

The "no kill rule".

Why would Batman murder his lover?

>Bats once again prevents everyone from offing the clown
If you were in Bat suits, you'd protect your husbando too.

Why does Joker sounds like an evil Scotsman ?
Is that John Dimaggio ?

You guys really don't get it

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Batman is literally fanatical about preserving Joker's life.

>The War of Jokes and Riddles
i dont read batbooks regularly, what was this and when?

It's love

i didn't realize bats was this much of a fag

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Damn, why is the Joker so fucking cute when he pouts?

Glad someone finally opened your eyes

>inb4 Injustice "You loved him, didn't you?"

Because that would make them murderers. If he was sentenced to the electric chair in a court of law and it was all above board, he'd allow it.

This happened in the past, and in the new52 continuity that is still more or less canon, the Riddler was much worse than the joker at the beginning.
Before the Joker even existed as the Joker, Riddler took the entire Gotham hostage for a year. So I'm guessing this could be a bit of an origin story for the Joker, like Joker year one or something

Got you covered, dude

They're trying to appeal to Gotham fanboys.

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the twist at the end will be that the Joker Batman sided with got kidnapped or otherwise fucked off to be replaced by one of the other two Jokers

Has Bantam ever fucked the Joker? I think it's possible he has in the past.

they came close
hell in some cultures what they did is more intimate than fucking

Dark Days The Forge reveals he keeps the Joker in the Batcave as his sex slave

How did he get there, anyway?

The last time we saw Joker, he was "cured". Then Rebirth started and they dropped the "Three Jokers" line...and is this his first appearance since then?

>Punisher whoever else actually can kill Joker and cope with it mentally ?
>cope with it mentally
The Punisher is worse than Batman, as he kills anyone like him for being a criminal like him, but is cool with Thunderbolt Ross because muh military.

At least Batman is consistent, his job is to save people, joker is a person, so he has to save the joker even if he doesn't want to. Yeah, this is undermined by his complete failure to cure Joker's mental issues, but it's consistent.

Punisher's heroic murder changes so much from writer to writer he stops being a good guy and just becomes like, well, every other killer he runs into.

Yeah, it really surprised me they went there. Here's a preview showing Joker naked in the Batcave.

Yes.

whew

I'd rape the Joker

Just saying

Wasn't there some kinda theory that to end the Joker, Batman doesn't need to kill him but just rape him?

The Gordon Theory? Yeah

I like the way you two think.

its more of an untested hypothesis

I don't think you understand. If you were writing a Batman comic, would you have Batman straight up save the Joker, regardless of how stupid the context is? No? Yeah, of course you wouldn't. Because as a fan you understand how infuriating it is to deal with roughly three decades of Batman refusing to let a mass murdering psychopath die. But Kevin Smith wrote exactly that scenario, despite hyping himself up as a guy who knows what fans want because he is one.

Which clown has a better ass Joker or Hisoka from Hunter x Hunter

from the looks of it, Joker. he's got better muscle definition and roundness
Hisoka's looks like a pair of deflated cubes. clearly lacking in thrusting power

There is absolutely nothing heroic about saving someone who would turn around and kill 80 people the same day if he could. If anything it's enabling, and accessory.

I mean sometimes the Joker is going to die in ways having nothing to do with Batman and he'd STILL save him. Batman is a monster.

Cuz he may be crazy but he ain't that crazy.

mikel's art looks so much like a marvel house style

Which Joker is this again? Snyder's edgelord Joker? How is he in Gotham when he was in Batman's basement in The Forge?

I like Snyder's attempt at an explanation from Death in the Family, that Batman believes that if Joker dies, something worse will step in to fill the void. Even if it's an irrational fear (which is questionable) it's a perfectly reasonable irrational fear for Batman to have. The death of the Joker could open the door to all sorts of horrible things, and Batman doesn't want to take that chance.

This is prequel arc dating back to batman's first year

>characters actually refer to a "War of Jokes and Riddles" in comic

This is the worst kind of gimmicky trash.

honestly considering Lazarus Pits and worse exist as ways to revive the dead while making them more unstable, that's not such an irrational fear to have
at least at the moment he can till take Joker down with a good thrashing. if he came back as some kind of super strength regenerating contagious zombie that's pretty much it. pack your backs, go home.

>a perfectly reasonable irrational
>reasonable irrational

That's not how that word works.

Like the whole thing makes far more sense when you look at it from the perspective of Batman being a control freak who fears any sudden, rapid change to the status quo that he isn't in charge of. It's not necessarily about the Joker, it's about change.

That's pretty hot.

I meant that it's perfectly within Batman's character to have that irrational belief.

Ah thanks, haven't followed Batman since the first arc with the Gotham siblings ended.

telling him to run is different, and Kevin Smith is like a 12 year old boy

>I'm just asking you not to SAVE him

12/10

I hate when people overthink the "no-kill" rule like this. Batman's killed plenty of times when he's had to, but he's always been about redemption and humanizing his otherwise monstrous villains and giving them second chances. That being said, for the most part, Batman usually tries to kill the Joker. Hell, Gordon's had to shoot at him to get him to stop, which makes sense, since at the end of the day, this guy's a vigilante. Yeah, Joker's insane, but Batman doesn't have any illusion he could redeem him like with Two-Face, and he's not acting as a sort of parole officer like with Langstrom, or understand it's a different culture like with Ra's. Joker works because he pushes Bats to the extreme. He's not trying to understand him, just to stop him, because he makes a mockery of all he stands for. The running joke is that like a cockroach, Joker just always pops up again.

Superman also had to physically restrain him to keep him from killing the Joker after the murder of Jason Todd

kinda undermines the whole premise of Injustice right there

Eh. They had to go through a shitload of character dismissals to make Injustice work. Superman's a farmboy with pretty clear views on right and wrong, and a core belief that despite his overwhelming abilities, he's on the same level as everyone else, which is why Lex is his antithesis.
Him being a would-be conqueror just doesn't work with that.

But it's an out-of-canon fighting game from the minds that brought us Mortal Kombat, so expecting too much of a character analysis on the guy is a bit much.

That's retarded. Batman could kill the Joker and everyone would be grateful for it. I'm now convinced because of other anons that he's genuinely a faggot and doesn't care if people die.

Batman should really be a villain instead. He's really good at getting people killed.

Probably Origins best scene.

Batman just wants to keep him alive so he can still go "hurr gotham needs me." He's such a piece of shit.

If letting another person kill the Joker makes Batman a murderer by association, then so does Batman saving the Joker and letting him continue to do crimes.

Dude, Batman's first move was to threaten Gotham's elite. They'd fucking devour the chance to politicize this shit and make him look like an unhinged serial killer. Plus, this is a world where due process is still a thing. Do you remember what happened in BTAS when a dream version of Batman killed someone? They hunted him down like a dog. People want the Joker dead, sure, but it's a whole new mess when a random civilian does it.

Batman is just as nuts as his villains.

So why the hell does he stop OTHER things from killing the Joker? You know like if something is gonna happen that ensures his death maybe Batman patrols another part of town, or looks the other way.

Or hell if Joker happens to be falling off a building or something maybe not try to save the guy who might thank you by offing of your "children"

Batman not killing the Joker was something that made sense back when the tone of the stories was more lighthearted, and when the Joker wasn't a lunatic serial killer who has been further shedding any pretenses of comedy except in the sense of the nihilist idea of existence being a joke.

It's something that's become less and less understandable to the audience as Batman's character has gone from a well-meaning vigilante with belief in law and order and the possible glimmer of faith in rehabilitation to a scowling pessimist with hardly any faith in anything, and as the Joker has gone from a clown with flowers that spray sleeping gas and who sickeningly hilariously ends up the ambassador of a country to a man who launches fireworks that kill crowds of people without a joke or horrifying comedic twist in sight and cuts off his face to staple it back on.

>Joker probably kills someone close to Edward and Bats once again prevents everyone from offing the clown.
Fuck this is going to be it isn't it? Why, why do people keep writing this shit? It makes Bruce look like a sociopath, who doesn't care about the consequences of his actions.

Bad writing, basically.
People want to force this ying and tang thing in order to make the Joker feel more tied to the character than he is, but the Joker's always worked as this random tragedy that can't be avoided rather than some bullshit intimate relationship.

The fact that despite all his efforts, Joker still exists is the joke.

You're right there Jim, just fucking shoot him. Two in the head or in the spine, Bruce isn't going to give a fuck. Or tell Bats you'll take him to the hospital, then fucking leave him in a dumpster.

Well Snyder is the one who left him like that, so I assume he'll explain in the Forge or Metal.

Plus it was obvious that Joker was going to go back to being Joker in that last scene what with the flies and him saying
>Not tonight

>Batman not killing the Joker was something that made sense back when the tone of the stories was more lighthearted, and when the Joker wasn't a lunatic serial killer who has been further shedding any pretenses of comedy except in the sense of the nihilist idea of existence being a joke.
It's fucking hilarious because Finger and Kane both wanted to kill the Joker in his first appearance because otherwise him constantly escaping makes Batman look incompetent. From the fucking beginning people could see the problem! And editorial overruled them so from the very beginning Joker has been protected by his status as a moneymaker.

Never forget guys...

these are the only good two posts on the subject

So that's it, huh? We're some kind of WAR OF JOKES AND RIDDLES (tm)?

>someone else fatally injures the Joker
>this is because of Joker's own evil actions
>the Joker is dying as a result of what he wrought
>"I have to save his life!"

FOR WHAT. FUCKING. PURPOSE.

>literally lets the Joker run away, possibly to kill more people

what the fuck

Superman was right.

The problem isn't that Batman doesn't want to kill and want's to save Joker. The problem is that its done so many times that it really seems like Batman is prioritizing Joker over other lives. It makes the "Batman is in love with Joker" idea seem plausible

Yes.

I like how the DCAU handled it. In his first appearance he saves the Joker even though he considers just letting him fall as a result of his own actions.

But as the series goes on, he starts leaving the Joker to whatever fate he gets himself into. Of course, Joker always survives somehow. Except that one time he didn't.

Actually kino

This is literally the truth

All this wankery about "Muh no kill" and "Muh muh" and shit

But the story is always a slave to business. And the Jokester sells comics/merch

Wonder Woman is the only one that should be allowed to handle that clown.

Yep, all of Joker's original stories in the 40's ended with him "dying" some way, like Batman leaving him in a burning castle, and he and Robin would ponder whether he would come back.

Based Wonder Woman taking out the trash.

Seems like there should be a lot of blood on that wall, though.

Context?

from JLA i think, ww witnesses the future of wonderbats, batman dies in that future and she kills joker. this vision forces her to remain platonic towards batman

thats the black

>this vision forces her to remain platonic towards batman
Of course it does

Any porn of her?

I deliberately chose the word "forces" because for a few years even after that issue there's still some
tension between them

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Fuck WonderBats!

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