Was Carol Danvers a mistake?

Was Carol Danvers a mistake?

Obviously.

No, but making her an ugly dyke was. I miss the real Ms. Marvel.

People like to forget that the black costume WAS female empowerment.

How did Feminists go from not wanting to cover their ankles to wanting to go back?

Yes. We already have the superior Danvers.

People like to forget Carol was still boring before the change, too.

Tumblr fans
Radical liberal leftist fans
Feminism
Bulldyke body
Short lesbian hair
Try hard leader
Try hard wonder woman
Muslim sidekick legacy

NuCarol is literally Aids and HIV

At least you could jerk to her tho

This. Kara > linda> carol.

Pretty much any other blonde Danvers > Carol.

Starfire is a better Carol aswell

Marvel can't get their shit together

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That too.

At least the legacy hero was smart enough to recognize this.

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Best girl.

>Try hard wonder woman
She wishes.

This. RIP fapbait Carol.

Because men were enjoying it too

>How did Feminists go from not wanting to cover their ankles to wanting to go back?
Easy. We're on the 4th feminist wave right now. You have to understand that every new wave blames the previous one for "being too soft" or "getting it wrong".
It works like that with most people and movements, specially with morally empty husks who convince they're "fighting the good fight": they always end up tearing themselves apart.
Remember when half of the liberals jumped on Bernie, an old jewish politician with socialist roots, for not being lefty enough?
Another example is how the LGBT community started to shit on gay men on a daily basis when the other groups became big enough; ironic and sad when you think about it.

Most of the people who "push" a movement or an agenda are just fucking insane, man.

Kamala still needs to not exist anymore

No. Carol is the greatest.

I honestly think she could work, even with the new costume, if you just gave her the long hair back, and her statuesque amazonian proportions back. Even with her forced into pants, you could still make it work.

That and make every writer of her read the Claremont run of Ms Marvel.

Except her legacy told her to fuck off, too.

The one on the left was drawn by a female. To hell with her I guess.

Is Carol the most pathetic, miserable, sad excuse of a character of all time?

How long till the next wave?

Has any drawfag ever tried to make a version of her new costume that retains the appearance of the classic one?

ITT: Everything that exists needs to give me a boner or it's worthless

Is an internet full of free porn not enough? Grow up.

Based.

A generation shift is considered to be about 15 years.
I would say that between 2020 and 2025 we should start to see new levels of retardation. Yes, even compared with what we have nowadays.
Anyway, the start of a new wave always comes with a noticeable clash between feminists that divides the movement in two.

No.

Ms. Mohammad was, though.

>before female empowerment
Jesus fucking christ Sup Forums, are all female characters just fapbait? All female characters were never empowered before modern times? All female characters that show skin are meant to be weak and feeble?

>NuCarol is literally Aids and HIV
LITERALLY?

Well, then, in that case, I hope you catch Carol.

new Ms Marvel needs to be a cyborg with alien tencacle arms and fire horns and insect legs

i LIKE the dyke hair
there, i said it

Setting my clock now, honestly excited to see what happens next

Carol never had any other use, she's a terrible character. You'd have a point if this was Wondy or something.

No, because it looked like she gained some halfway decent perspective and lost her tiny baby arms

too bad marvel hates you

threads like these give SJWs more power by giving them more proof that people perceived women showing skin as weak

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I kinda miss new 52 kara hairstyle.

>tfw when I played Saints Row 4 again and picked the Laura Bailey voice to LARP as potty mouthed president Kara.

I kinda wish Kari Wahlgren could voice Kara again.

Linda only media appareance.

Do you think we'll ever get Linda back?
I enjoyed her for what she was.

Supergirls outfit and hair was the one thing I liked the most in n52.
It should have stays this way in Rebirth.

Last appareance was in convergence. Non speaking cameo.

>empowering a female means she has to resemble a dude as much as possible
What did they mean by this?

The cape was perfect.

No, and her new costume was fine. the problem is the artist Marvel hired for her solo after KSD. The guys a literal faggot who's afraid a of tits and just about every female he draws is hideous. But since he the one who recreated her image other artist use his model.

At least before the change she wasn't pretending to be front and center of everything, and she fit where she was.

Now it's like "Hey, this character is SO important and cool, everyone!" despite her getting more bland and stuffy and obnoxious.

Carol has steadily become more and more full of herself, right? Like... more of a self-righteous bitch. It's hard to read anything with her in it, where she's painted to be some fucking authority on what's right.

Tfw Carol used to be my favorite woman superhero, but I hate everything with her since like 2012.

I even like the Captain Marvel costume, but the increasing dykisation of her face/hair is terrible.

Atleast Carol looks good & fun in MvCI.

>Tfw Carol used to be my favorite woman superhero
Well, you only have yourself to blame.

From the looks of it, she was really hot before SJWs happened.

Being thick and large framed was part of her damn character. She'd complain to other female heroes that she had the body of a mom and was too big. Villains even talked shit about her. She was a broad shoulder, wide hipped service lady. She had meat on her bones and it made her self conscious from time to time. Fuck that though, she's gotta be built like a slender fit dude.

>females are empowered by looking more like men
kinda sad desu

no

I like her new costume, since it looks like Mar-vell's with the scheme reversed. I like the long hair better, and nuCarol has 0 personality.

What if the next-gen backlash reverts feminism to Susan B. Anthony-tier?

This is correct

The butch dyke look is very popular

I like Carol, Carol is good.

Not even the character itself is very popular.

I just can't get into the character. She's so generic and I've always found military origin heroes boring. Blond hair, blue eyes, big tits, vague energy powers combined with the standard flying brick powerset. Both "before" and "after" are just boring as fuck.

Hopefully the MCU reinvents the character. I couldn't get into Captain America or Wonder Woman before "The Winter Soldier" and "Wonder Woman" respecitvely, and now I've got a whole new appreciation for them.

Bailey recorded for SR3, too. A lot more lines for her including singing. I'm still playing SR3 after beating 3 and 4. 4 sucked.

>Old costumes > alterations of current costume > dog poo on a stick > current costume

I'm a visual person, if I don't like what I'm looking at, I'm not a happy camper, if they just changed the shitty suit I'd be able to at least start calling her Captain.

Don't understand why most characters (male and female) are running around in just plain awful looking designs these days, Quicksilvers current look honestly triggers me harder than a tumblrina looking at a picture of a pretty girl enjoying a roast beef dinner with her straight white employed boyfriend.

no it isn't

To be fair, old Carol was Marvel's idea of female empowerment at the time too.

If we're getting primal here, user, all females in general are fapbait.

What the fuck is OP's image even trying to state? That weak women show skin?

Autist using a picture of Sana Takeda Carol to say she was a better character back then.

She was a good character then and is a good character now.

How high must one be to say such a thing.

>left
Japanese artist
>right
Western artist

I think we know the real issue here.

That when you refer to marvel's current artistic staff as "artists" you're using the term very loosely?

Marvel is currently hiring a pair of Japanese artists what are you talking about

can you post a picture of quicksilver's current one? they change his design every 3 seconds so it's hard to keep track.

never mind, I think I found it, the one with the stupid fast forward symbol on his chest, holy shit why?

had to google his late 90's one to wash my eyes.

That was happening before the change too.

Is New 52 Supergirl good?

the SJWs are right (to a point), the Sup Forumsacks are right (to a point), there will never be an end to this fruitless war. Nobody will ever be happy.

Women are always a mistake. Female superheroes are a mistake times a hundred.

I rather if we just get rid of women media in general.
Clearly they cannot be pleased, so why bother including them at all?

Absolutely.

This from people who want Steve and Bucky together.
Or Xavier and Mags.
Or Dean and Castiel
Or..

Dykes hate men. But they want to resemble men, smell like men, act like men. It's the "even lesbians use dicks to pleasure themselves" dichotomy.

I dont hate Carol.
She's been trying to hit the big leagues for YEARS.

But her dyke cut does me no favors.

First time I saw Ms Marvel was when she was Warbird, it was the issue of Iron Man where he sought her out to help her because she was recovering from being an alcoholic.

I liked how she was essentially what a grade A superheroine ought to be, but she had this anger about being treated bad, had normal human problems and yet was working through all those issues to become a real heroine.

So, thanks, Marvel for ruining that.

Your fault for liking a woman superhero,
A woman has no place in superheroism. They have no justice.

But she's still exactly like that, except with fans who don't know shit about her. (In-universe, I mean).

Not initially, but she's since spent several decades being defined by mistakes. Which is typical for a lot of female characters from around that same period, but I think Carol got the worst of it from time to time.

No, every female character has to be super strong and without flaws.

See this, is why ultimately, nobody can write good female characters. It's the guybrush threepwood problem.

Men can have tons of flaws and still look cool,put em through hell, abuse them and give them a horrible life but if you write the same character and flip the genders, you're gonna find yourself in a ton of problems with a million people.

Kamala's recent hook of having a mentor/inspirational figure and realizing that person (Carol) is a piece of shit, is more interesting than Carol has been for the past...30 years?

Hell, I still feel Carol was more interesting as a problem Rogue had to deal with. Because Rogue is a better character.

Rogue a shit, Carol is way better.

It's pure envy.

Nah, old Carol realized just what a piece of shit she was and could be and knew she wasn't freaking Captain America to be passing moral judgment on people.

Nu Carol is a goddamned fascist who acts like whatever she says is the law.

But even "echo in Rogue's head" Carol was better than modern Carol. I read enough of CW2 and a few Ultimates issues, Marvel has no idea who Carol is. Is she overworked, but well intentioned? Is she a do as she pleases mega bitch? Is she an incompetent fascist? I think the movie will give her a good direction, but Marvel has to keep Bendis off her. Bendis makes her the most easy to hate character imaginable.