I personally believe especially because of disney's damage conrol, star wars 9 will be a lot different
still I find it difficuilt to continue the trilogy after everything has been brought to a complete halt.
post your predictions
>snoke's past will be revealed to a degree
>poe will redeem himself
>8's damage will be noticible throughout
>efforts to fix the trilogy will be very apparent (but probably not work fully)
what else?
whatelse?
If they're smart they'll kill off one of Poe, Finn, or the chink early on in the movie.
rey will realize snoke is her daddy and will ressurect him with force power and he'll seek revenge and rey and kylo fight to defeat him but at the end he sees the light dont ask me how i know this my dad works at disney :x
A lightsaber fight that actually looks good
One thing to think about is that the script was probably written by the time TLJ released — that's how it worked before.
There will no doubt be some changes based on the reaction, but they may have locked the basic movements in before seeing the shit-show.
They have to kill some main characters on the resistance side surely? you never feel like they are ever under any threat from the First Order, they haven't gave the First Order, the ''villains'' in the trilogy have been so undersold and look constantly weak and pathetic
Snoke's past can't be explained at this point without being heavily hamfisted in. There's no characters left alive to properly explain it, and rey won't care now that he is dead. Luke should have told rey about it on the island
>Snoke's past can't be explained at this point without being heavily hamfisted in
that's what I mean by the damage being noticable. they'll have to fix shit and it won't be possible to do seemlessly. I fully agree it will feel hamfisted, but I expect them to do so regardless
>snoke's past will be revealed to a degree
agreed
My mix of hopes/predictions:
>Rose gets called off to some other part of the galaxy to do rebel shit, is never heard from again. Finn stays because he's grown resentful of her saving him.
>Knights of Ren are used for lightsaber murder porn (think the beginning of TFA except if Kylo had decapitated that dude)
>Luke's ghost/flashback explains away all the dumb shit that happened to his character
>Rey meets a challenge she's not ready for but then rises to the occasion later in the movie
>Poe finally cashes in all his luck and snark for some development
>Rose gets called off to some other part of the galaxy to do rebel shit, is never heard from again. Finn stays because he's grown resentful of her saving him.
I would REALLY like that, but I don'T think they have the balls for that
Ew why don’t they get rid of both.
>why don’t they get rid of both.
I wouldnt mind keeping finn if he hates on rose whose much worse.
that would give him something like a character and he's still meant to be a main character, yet has done way to little to justify the spotlight
You can't remove that retarded leia scene from my mind, remove the space suicide ship, the force ghost interacting with things now or fix luke character at this point.
The only way to fix all this would be removing and making new scenes with the BD which is impossible, they're gonna keep blaming the fans.
id like to see a DKR opening for ep9
we find out snokes isnt dead but captured by the resistence. cameo by bill wilson as he loads snokes bane into a transport shuttle. calls it in from his R2 unit. we get some good dioluge reminisent of the bane/cia one. shit goes down and the knights of ren arrive and BTFO of cia and the transport crew and save bane snokes
>we find out snokes isnt dead but captured by the resistence
but we saw him get cut in half and fall apart
JJ said this will tie all the trilogies together. Obviously start with Leia’s funeral on Naboo. They go to ask the current queen for support because they have none. Rey learns she is from the royal line (the mirror cave scene)
The knights of ren were on a mission somewhere to gather Sith artifacts or make their own lightsabers or whatever. They all meet up at Vader’s castle and Kylo talks about forging their own path while simultaneously Hux plans to overthrow him. Rey uses the books to teach a handful of students and learn how to talk to the ghosts. Anakin tells her to use her feelings and let the force guide her. Kylo learns of a dark side nexus in uncharted space and hopes to become immortal while plunging the rest of the galaxy into darkness. At this point he’s so far gone he has the yellow eyes and everything. Anakin tries to reach out to him but Kylo uses the dark side to block his attempts. Luke and Anakin combined manage to break through and warn him that this is the worst thing he could do that it’s not the true dark side of the force which is natural death and decay it’s a cancerous infection that the Sith worshipped. Lightsaber showdown and whatnot and Rey talks Kylo down and they use both sides of the force to close the black hole but Kylo dies. You see all of the ghosts because that’s pretty much obligatory
Didn't realize you guys were so optimistic. Disney WILL stick to their plan, more beautiful characters to attempt to win over China? Yes.
Rose will remain prominent, she will also get extra limelight to stick it to the MRA/Alt-Right good old boys.
None of the main cast will die, just Babby Vader and his Nazi's. Oh, and obviously Leia.
They'll use twists, plot devices, characters and imagery as distractions from the fact they're not doing anything original.
that sounds like another trilogy, not another movie.
I'd be positively surprised if the do manage to tie it all up neatly
J.J. will naturally try to course correct and gives us something much safer and more in line with The Force Awakens. I expect he'll actually retcon some of Rian's choices, like Rey's parentage (especially since Rian didn't really have the balls to make anything final). He might even bring back Luke in some regard.
That said - I wouldn't hold out TOO much hope. Just remember how badly he fucked up Into Darkness.
It hasn't been written yet.
The Last Jedi script wasn't started until The Force Awakens was in production (because of the delays from J.J.'s rewrites). Also, Rian's script came with a treatment for the final part of the trilogy, back when Colin Trevorrow was set to write and direct. Trevorrow's scripts kept getting turned down and he left. J.J. is now working on his own version.
It’s funny because I guarantee before Rian killed Snoke JJ was going to do a scene with Snoke becoming more and more healed and recovered until he’s revealed to be some background OT or PT character
>beautiful characters
>Rose will remain prominent
That doesn't makes sense.
As cool as that story is,how will Disney sell toys to kids with this version of the film? They need to shoehorn robots and funky aliens and space ships to sell more toys
If there's a timeskip then Leia dies in the opening crawl, otherwise the initial space scene will be Leia on some ship getting immediately killed off. Knowing the severe lack of originality from J.J. he'll probably have a straight reshoot of the Ep4 opening scene with a blockade runner being chased by a destroyer overhead and this time the ship just gets blown away instead of boarded. There will most likely be at least one space battle featuring a nuB-wing and nuY-wing to cap off the rehash of the OT ships coming back.
Probably will have some scene of Rey finding Maz to figure out what to do with the busted lightsaber and Maz will finally respond to the good question for another time about how she got the saber in the first place, since it was last seen by a janitor cleaning the bottom of Cloud City with Luke's severed hand still gripping it. Rey will probably end up grafting the saber onto her staff to make a lightsaber pike better suited to her fighting style.
Likely will have some sort of conflict between Kylo and Hux. Might somehow lead to the Knights of Ren getting involved to take on the First Order. Phasma will have survived her fall through the exploding Supremacy and finally have some scene where she doesn't have the helmet, but will have her left eye burned where the helment was exposed by Finn in their previous battle.
And for the shippers there will be some sort of distorted love pentagon between Rey, Kylo, Poe, Finn and comatose Rose that gets resolved during the final battle. Probably should have some sort of proper dogfight between Kylo and Poe as well since most space battles involving starfighters don't seem to last very long due to one-shots happening all the time and it would be interesting to see several maneuvers for a more extended sequence.
The ultimate way to close off this story would be to have Rey sacrifice herself to save a newly turned Ben Solo. After all, for 10-12 they need at least one Skywalker alive. Either Rey is actually not a nobody or Ben lives, and they better not keep Rey and Ben both alive.
I have a suspicion that Colin got canned because he resisted Kathleen Kennedy putting a bunch of feminist shit in the movie.
Right now I want it to go full bliwn sjw. I want to see BBW of color, Rey becoming a lesbian, lukes forceghost getting eaten by kylo, rey somehow being her own parent, some real cringey shit. These marxist never back off, they only double down. I wanna see hux saying hell make the galaxy great again and rey flying with the forcd and shooting kamehanehas.
>I have a suspicion that Colin got canned because he resisted Kathleen Kennedy putting a bunch of feminist shit in the movie.
Imagine a world where TLJ is the result of Rian Johnson making a great Star Wars movie despite the constant interference of KK and friends. What if Rian Johnson legitimately tried to save Star Wars from these hacks and his reward for it is a mountain of hate?
It's unlikely but I like to imagine
The Millennium Falcon will be destroyed and Chewie will be dead.
Reylo
actual insider here, idc
>timeskip a year or so
>crawl mentions leia's death and luke tormenting kylo who is already a broken man
>kylo has pulled back the first order and stagnated its war efforts and is searching for rey so he can reach out
>hux is pissed
>hires bounty hunter to assassinate him
>its phasma
>he barely survives and jetisons in an escape pod
>rey is training a new group of jedis on dagobah using the books she stole from the tree
>among the children are poe, rose and finn who are all 3 actually force sensitive, but really shit at it and still learning
>she senses kylo is in danger and after some convincing by the council (obi-wan, yoda, luke, and anakin all appear as ghosts) she leaves with chewie on the falcon
>she has to lie to him because theres no way he would help kylo after what he did to han
>she rescues him and theres a huge confrontation where chewie rips kylos arm off
>rey finally calms him and kylo is out of commission for most of the movie while nanites repair his reattached limb
>while they are away the knights of ren lead by hux attack the jedi temple on dagobah and kill all of the students but finn, poe and temiri, the boy from the ending of ep 8
>he actually saves poe and finn and leads them to safety after taking out a few of the knights himself
>rey and kylo rush back to the temple and find it in ruins
>poe vows revenge on the first order and leaves immediately to rally with the new alliance that formed after the events of ep 8
>finn still doesn't trust kylo but rey assures him that he is on their side now
>kylo speaks with the council and after bonding with anakin for the first time finally feels forgiven
>meanwhile hux returns to the first order controls sector to oversee plans on a new superweapon
>tbc
>What if Rian Johnson legitimately tried to save Star Wars from these hacks and his reward for it is a mountain of hate?
We clearly know that isn't the case thanks to his twitter.
I'm literally only paying to see this if Luke is alive. Fuck force ghosts. Luke needs to be alive and he needs to have an actual lightsaber fight. Snoke should somehow be alive too. Neither of these will happen.
First Order mutiny led by Finn. Half of the heroes (not named ones but half the people fighting on the side of the Resistance in crowd shots) will be former Stormtroopers.
Kylo and Hux on edge but not fighting. At one key moment they both shout completely different orders and the whole FO will freeze, and this will be enough to let the Resistance get a win in Act 2.
Luke trolls Kylo constantly in ghost-form. This better be fucking in it.
The Knights of Ren show up in what they will try to make the most epic scene of Star Wars light-saber and starfighter action we've ever seen. Half of them decide to join Rey over the course of the film.
Poe and Kylo Ren engage in a starfighter duel, and Kylo wins. Not easily, but decisively. This kills the Poe.
Final fight is light-saber battle between Rey and Kylo again, with the Knights of Ren at it in the background.
Kylo is then arrested not killed or redeemed THE END
Disney corporation showed how real Empire Strikes Back looks like and destroyed SW in a single movie.
ITT butthurt rebel scum
TLJ wouldn't have been so bad if it were the 2nd movie in a 4 movie series. But it's a trilogy and they put themselves in a position where they're pretty much fucked. It's actually going to be interesting to see if they manage to pull it all together in even a semi-competent way
It was his hologram
No, It would have still been terrible because TLJ main problems is that it shits on the logic of the OT and ruins the character of it.
And even with that, Scenes like Rose crashing with finn (to save his live, btw) and saying that "we protect what we love..." is still nonsensical.
>how she got the saber in the first place, since it was last seen by a janitor cleaning the bottom of Cloud City with Luke's severed hand still gripping it
Would be a good opportunity to bring back Lando.
>damage
Stop projecting. Box Office=/=good/bad movie.
Anyone who denies TLJ being good is a brainlet and shit tier fan.
Chris Terrio wrote Batman v Superman and Justice League. Now he is writing Episode 9.
In an attempt of PURE POTTERY, Zack Snyder will replace Jar Jar Abrams. You will have a 2 hour 45 min PG-13 theatrical cut for the release and 3 hour 20 min R-rated Blu Ray version.
Poe is a radical rebel now. He will use extremist terrorist to attack the First Order killing shit tons of innocent people for the attempt. Nobody cares about Rey anymore. The Rebels are essentially ISIS now.
Fed up with Poe, Rey is driven by the Dark side. There is no light side anymore. She will go full on dark side to fight both Kylo and Poe. After the First Order is defeated, the Rebels will be dealt with.
Meanwhile, Kylo is thinking about playing God after being the Supreme Leader. His Knights of Ren will bring Kylo all the cool dark Sith artifacts in an attempt to achieve absolute power. Kylo will have EU Force power abilities and do a bunch of ridiculous shit. Hux is creating a coup. Civil war breaks out inside the First Order. Poe and the Rebels will sneak in while the civil war happens. Some bloody ass sequence actions on screen. Movie ends with Kylo reigning supreme with Rey by his side.
Major mistakes that it is now too late to fix about the Sequel Trilogy:
>Luke's character assassination
>Luke dying prematurely in an unsatisfying way
>Leia inevitably dying offscreen in an unsatisfying way
>Luke and Han never reuniting
>Luke, Han and Leia never reuniting
>Not seeing Luke's reaction to Han's death
>Snoke dying prematurely in an unsatisfying way because no backstory
>Rey being a Mary Sue
>Captain Phasma being a joke of a character
>No intimidating Big Bad
What else?
elaborate faggot
Perhaps the new trilogy was poorly thought out from the beginning. The power balance between light and dark was never appropriately addressed for this new trilogy. With the original trilogy the story was "Darkness reigns although a glimmer of hope appears and slowly rises to challenge the darkness." With the prequels it was the opposite of "Light reigns with the dark side slowly growing to challenge the light through conspiracy and subversion." They were essentially the same stories in reverse.
This fundamental theme of a ratio between the light and the dark and it's lack of explanation or exploration is the most basic failure of this new trilogy. This can't be fixed with one final film.
Poe would need to be wrong to be redempted in the first place. The rebels obliteration is the fault of admiral purple haired dyke.
What I think: Because of th VIII backlash, and possibly a Han Solo blunder, they will play even safer. SO, no Knights of Ren, prequel connections, Snoke's return from the dead, or death of the stablished characters apart from Hux and Kylo. No elements that weren't in the original trilogy, and a lot of pandering, making for a movie that will please fanboys just like VII did: A literally cut of OT moments.
>a big weapon from the first order appear. It will not be a death star, but it will fit the same function in the script
>Poe, Finn, and the rebel's plot will be about destroying that weapon
>Rey will help then until the middle of the movie, like the part in the forest in ep VI, but after that she will astray for her own plot, where she will try to defeat Kylo
>Kylo and Rey fight, and the redemption and death of Kylo will be a revisioned version of the one in RotJ, but with a pathetic screaming character trying to boss Kylo. In this case, it will be Hux
>weapon is destroyed. Kylo don't kill Hux or destroy the first order becase it would take spotlight of Rey, this time he will just be fatally stroke by her, and have an before death regret asking for forgiveness in her lap
>everything ends, Luke and Yoda ghost appears in the final party
Expect nothing but this.
>Superman Leia
>Force ghost can interact with thing now but for some reason Ben and Yoda didn't help luke at all during EP6
>The suicide kamikaze shit, that would have been really useful en EP4.
>Episode IX
>Darth Vader
You probably saved this because neeto retro neon letters and epic Vader posing but don't. It makes no sense. Vader is long dead
shes already ko'd they'll leave her in that state for most of the movie.
she'll wake up with a quip and see rey being blacked by finn.
fin.
He's a beta feminist and Kathleen's dog, Faggot.
>it would be interesting to see several maneuvers for a more extended sequence.
yeah... but hyperspace ramming is not cannon, so thats not gonna happen
yeah... no. he is a legit retard sucking on those moose tits like every other numale
>Not seeing Luke's reaction to Han's death
Just the way he asks "Where's Han?" hit me right in the feels.
>you never feel like they are ever under any threat from the First Order, they haven't gave the First Order, the ''villains'' in the trilogy have been so undersold and look constantly weak and pathetic
Pretty sure this is exactly what they were going for
which cuts to admiral gender studies, then when it cuts back to luke his on the floor in shock at what rey told him in a deleted scene...
great writing rian!
>Poe would need to be wrong to be redempted in the first place.
His insubordination gets most of the Rebel fleet killed
sunk costs either way. their death would be trivial, and it would null whatever role either of them played in the previous movies.
>>Luke, Han and Leia never reuniting
The only good complaint here.
>>Snoke dying prematurely in an unsatisfying way because no backstory
This is precisely wrong. Killing Snoke is the only interesting thing Kylo has ever done.
Bizarrely, they repeatedly have then pull Tarkin's and refuse to go for the throat when they have the opportunity. The Resistance is only ever in danger from themselves.
Yeah but Snoke died without us knowing anything about him. And now it's hardly matters because he's dead. It would've been better to reveal Snoke's backstory and then have Kylo kill him at the very end of the film.
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>>Rose gets pregnant with Finn's baby. He stays for 3 months then realizes it's all a horrible mistake and leaves to be with his true love, Kylo .
FIFY
Kylo beheads Rose. Then turns good.
>snoke's past will be revealed to a degree
What would people's responses be if it turns out it was Palpatine reincarnated with him reincarnated in another body for Episode 9?
The pain of wanting Kylo to die but he’s the last of the Skywalker line
Snoke's past will not be brought up at all in 9. TLJ established that Snoke is not important and JJ also doesn't like answering questions. They will keep everything open ended just like all the other star wars movies.
I like Kylo's child-like qualities and how unjust growth was stunted by Luke's fuck-up and Snoke's predation.
Problem is, he should have grown to be a very deadly threat by the climax of TLJ whose actions send the Resistance into the next movie on a low note.
Bringing back Sheev is unironically the best way to get longtime Star Wars fans to care about Episode 9. He should have been in Rogue One but this would make up for it.
I don't care all that much about Snoke's backstory. If they were going with the normal evil master and troubled apprentice thing, then that would be relevant. They're going with the troubled apprentice immediately kills evil master thing.
Snoke is a loser and he died like a bitch.
He is the deadliest threat in the galaxy. Only Luke beat him, and not by outmatching him in deadliness.
The FO was about to win.
>Killing Snoke is the only interesting thing Kylo has ever done.
It would've been if we knew why it was a big deal beyond 'he's palpatine but gold'. Like if we knew how he corrupted Ben or what he had on him or what their relationship was or why Ben liked him at all or why the First Order needed him. If we knew any of that then WOW what a twist that would've been, hyping up why Snoke is so vital and then BLAM, dead.
Or you could kill what's essentially a melted doll we know nothing about, that "Subversive" too. I for one never thought of a villain killing a fellow, less developed villain to show how badass he was, it's only been in dozens of movies, dozens!
SJW always double down.
They will double down and continue in the vein of The Last Jedi.
Kylo Ren is the villain and Rey fights him, he loses again and dies irredeemed.
There's a new female leader of the rebels just as cringy as Admiral Purple.
We know enough. He broke into Luke's academy and he gained control of the First Order.
And then he underestimated Kylo and Rey and died.
Don't be fooled by the giant hologram or the Prequel Trilogy Force abilities. He's not that capable or important. That's sort of the whole point. He can fling Kylo and Rey around the room with the Force, or Hux from another star system, and yet get killed by a sneaky boi when focused right on him.
JJ said that if he could do the force awakens again he would make the cast even more diverse in spite of the backlash. You bet your ass he's going to double down.
>Only Luke beat him
I love how he didn't actually show up for the "fight", like a coward, talked and twirled for a couple of minutes while Mary Sue saved everyone and then killed himself for no reason. What a hero.
If Disney was smart
>Opening crawl
>pan down to planet with hooded figure
>it's revealed to be Ewan McGregor
>obi wan has some connection to rey that is explained
>crowd bursts into applause
>just the first of many creative risks that are actually good, tie into the backstory, and pay off
>The 90% rotten tomatoes is earned and fan score is high
But you know irl it will just be more feminism
>"fight"
What fight is that? We had Kylo dance around like a loser with a hologram for a few minutes when he could have been killing the Resistance. No fight took place.
>There's a new female leader of the rebels just as cringy as Admiral Purple.
It'll probably be Holdo's assistant, that ugly woman with an enormous nose. Although I actually liked her because you don't see many ugly people in films. They can be fascinating to look at.
>He's not that capable or important.
Or maybe he is, we don't know, point is because he's not capable or important this isn't a big twist or even a big character moment because we know so little about the many unanswered questions surrounding his everything there's nothing to be effected by. Whoop de doo, they killed off a guy we know nothing about, oh wow such a surprising moment who would have ever seen the new big bad killing off the old big bad in a bid for power, that only happens in like a dozen sequels. Fucking Jurassic Park 3 did this shit. This scene had the 'interest' of Jurassic Park 3 for god's sake.
Now all that time we wasted with him rambling about nothing gets to set up... Kylo vs Rey! What a new direction for the series to take! I mean it's not like we've seen Kylo command the First Order for two movies now, this time he's the supreme leader and we might learn what that means!
>distorted love pentagon between Rey, Kylo, Poe, Finn and comatose Rose that gets resolved during the final battle
Kino scene where finn masturbates to Rose's comatose body and then looks at his hand afterwards regretting it
>Only Luke beat him
Rey defeated a wounded Kylo in TFA and gleaned most of his knowledge through their Force bond.
He struggled to kill Snoke's bodyguards because for some reason he can't do badass Force manipulation (like freezing a blaster bolt in mid air) anymore. He also fails to overpower Rey in their tug of war.
He murders Snoke because it was Snake's turn with the idiot ball and commands the remainder of the FO military like a kid playing with toys in a sandbox.
Kylo is dangerous, but he's not currently presented as much of a threat to Rey (through the Force) or Poe (militarily, as learning cunning was his arc) by the end of TLJ.
Hence the quotation marks...
I rolled my eyes that TLJ made a point of showing that the women were in charge (hilariously by making them bossy, condescending "leaders" just like Kylo and Hux) and killed off the qt Resistance fighters like Rose's sister and the A-wing captain.
If they add Snoke story that's gravy. If they don't then they've done enough to show us a big, loud, dumb, empty threat who was taken down by some people who are genuinely dangerous, Kylo and Rey.
We're getting Kylo v Rey one more time. One per movie. Don't be so sure she'll ever win one.
The whole point of Snoke is that he's throwing around prequel level Force powers and they're shown to be pathetic when compared to original trilogy level Force powers. Then we see the same thing again later with the Kylo v Luke fight, but Kylo is on the wrong side of it this time.
That's why he's a GIANT hologram in the first one, and why he's throwing people around like the gravity gun in half life 2 from light years away. This use of the Force pales in comparison to true understanding of it, just like the technological terror of the Death Star does.
Right but you seemed to be saying that Kylo somehow came across better than Luke for engaging in it. Luke beat Kylo.
>Sheev didn't die
>he survived by force pulling himself into an escape craft
It's stupid but doesn't sound as stupid now after cokeslut did it.
>made a point
Is that what it means if a large number of leader characters are from one group, they're making a point?
Then TLJ is making a different point from virtually every other film ever made in human history, which are all making a point of showing that the men are in charge.
I'm expecting it will be set several years later, and many of the problems 8 caused will be magically fixed. It will also explain Leia's absence and Ben will have an apprentice. Maybe Rey too.
Screenshot this.
>If they don't then they've done enough to show us a big, loud, dumb, empty threat who was taken down
And no reason to give a fuck he was taken down, because of course the black-wearing villain killed the evil master villain, the OT did it and these movies are just that but so thin and so badly plotted they come off as knockoffs.
>We're getting Kylo v Rey one more time
Because one movie left.
>One per movie.
Fresh new direction! What a subversion! Who could have seen Kylo Vs Rey coming when it only happened twice out of two?
>Don't be so sure she'll ever win one.
Because if there's one thing Rey has managed to instill in the audience, it's making everyone worry if she'll succeed or not. It's not like we've seen her do it twice or anything.
So we killed off an uninteresting nobody of a character so that this story could hit the ROTJ beat and now we're in the same thing we've seen the last two movies only there's no reason to be worried for the main character or anything interesting to learn.
I honestly don't know how he could've done this worse.
Wished they just said Snoke was Darth Plagius who went into hiding after Sidious tried to kill him and decided to leave the Sith order and create the Knights of Ren after the fall of the empire. How hard would that have been for Luke or Kylo to state.
>And no reason to give a fuck he was taken down, because of course the black-wearing villain killed the evil master villain, the OT did it and these movies are just that but so thin and so badly plotted they come off as knockoffs.
It makes a difference to the plot if Kylo is following orders or not, and whether Kylo and Hux are co-leaders or rival lieutenants.
Snoke was always intended to a phantom menace, a paper tiger, all of his vulgar Force powers are completely worthless and never helped him once on screen. I can't understand how people don't see that he's been portrayed as a punk-ass bitch who is all talk and no trousers right from the start.
>Because if there's one thing Rey has managed to instill in the audience, it's making everyone worry if she'll succeed or not. It's not like we've seen her do it twice or anything.
After two draws in two fights where Kylo wasn't trying to kill her? They've set up a pattern alright, just not the one you'd prefer.
>So we killed off an uninteresting nobody of a character so that this story could hit the ROTJ beat and now we're in the same thing we've seen the last two movies only there's no reason to be worried for the main character or anything interesting to learn.
So it could do a subversion of the ROTJ beat, and demonstrate on screen hat Kylo is the superior to Vader.
Failed Sheev clone is also acceptable.
>transfers Sheev-mind into Rey-body
>Star Wars IX just got interesting
>It's not like we've seen her do it twice or anything.
If it was only twice we'd probably actually be able to suspend our disbelief, but at this point she could literally pull any force powers out of her ass and nobody would bat an eye. She could be a hologram summoning lightning while using the multiform technique and piloting a giant jedi ghost after staring at a rock for like three seconds and nobody would bat an eye. She could go full Legend of Korra and gain an Ultraman powerup to fight the pitch black evil tentacled Kylo(Who spent decades making said giant monster form) and people would just wonder when she's going to use her giant lightsaber.
>everything has been brought to a complete halt.
can't halt that which never got off the ground. Disney's new "characters" are shit. Can't have a good movie with shit characters.
kill off all three, right after the words
Rebellion gets BTFO.
Darth Faggot executes MaRey Sue, weeps, turns from dark side.
Roll credits.
Are they still on for episodes X, XI, and XII?
what damage control
>It makes a difference to the plot if Kylo is following orders or not, and whether Kylo and Hux are co-leaders or rival lieutenants
Does it? Seeing as this is literally exactly what's being portrayed 90 percent of the time onscreen during Force Awakens anyway, it's literally the same beats but no spooky ghost thing and really nowhere for them to go, because somehow they control the galaxy?
>I can't understand how people don't see that he's been portrayed as a punk-ass bitch who is all talk and no trousers right from the start.
Because you think we can't understand it instead of seeing through the lame-ass repetition of countless other movies where they had a big bad kill off a supposedly bigger and more impressive bad, like again Jurassic Park 3, just to make it shocking. Wow! The T-Rex lost! Sure, it was just an impressive big guy who stomped around and scared our main characters, but now you've got the bigger bad here, and he's scarier because he beat the big bad! Does it make sense? Of course not, but it's impressive!
It's not that we don't get Rian was trying to make him just a stepping stone, we just also get that there's no reason to care and it's a transparent way to up the stakes with no emotional impact, connection or even speculation to the future because now the only path it can go is a repetition of the exact same shit before. At least Snoke offered something new to fight, this offers round 3 of a battle that has zero tension.
>After two draws in two fights where Kylo wasn't trying to kill her?
Okay if you call TFA ending 'a draw' you're clearly trolling, fucker was left bleeding for dead in the snow.
>They've set up a pattern alright, just not the one you'd prefer.
>Kylo and her fight
>Kylo is left beaten on the ground and Rey leaves
Did I ballpark it? Maybe they'll switch it up so Rey stays next time. Subversion!
>that Kylo is the superior to Vader.
Bullshit, it's the same thing but Kylo lived. Vader was never going to step down.
It would help if she showed any sort of problems in the Praetorian fight, but she was kicking more ass than Kylo and had to save him in the finale. Shit, she did the dumbest move possible, the lightsaber drop, and the guy just stood there and let her kill him, even he didn't want to believe that script.
Also Legend of Korra in general is a disgustingly good comparison. Maybe this whole mess will end with Rey fighting Kylo on a snowy planet and talking to him again.
there was barely a shred of hope for fixing the trilogy after TFA, after TLJ? No fucking chance in hell. Dogshit movies.
>Bullshit, it's the same thing but Kylo lived. Vader was never going to step down.
Sad thing is, it would be kind of interesting to see what Vader would've been like as the Emperor. Fucker was tall, imposing, in charge and damn scary competent. A great frontline fighter who also commanded his troops so that they feared talking to him, let alone failing him.
Instead we get Kylo vs the guy who got prank called at the start of the movie vying for control.
This is the worst timeline.
Snoke is not the Emperor. In TFA he was set up as a phantom menace, and in TLJ one of the main characters killed him. Snoke insisting he is important doesn't mean anything at all.
>It's not that we don't get Rian was trying to make him just a stepping stone, we just also get that there's no reason to care and it's a transparent way to up the stakes with no emotional impact, connection or even speculation to the future because now the only path it can go is a repetition of the exact same shit before. At least Snoke offered something new to fight, this offers round 3 of a battle that has zero tension.
They did fight Snoke in TLJ, he lost for reasons that were established since TFA. Did you want them to save it for IX, so it would be more like the old Star Wars?
>Okay if you call TFA ending 'a draw' you're clearly trolling, fucker was left bleeding for dead in the snow.
He never once tried to kill her. He allowed that to happen because his primary goal was to get her to join him, and he foresaw that she would.
>Did I ballpark it? Maybe they'll switch it up so Rey stays next time. Subversion!
Maybe. But it's clear they'll fight to a draw in every film. They will subvert it in some way in IX, having established the pattern.
>Bullshit, it's the same thing but Kylo lived. Vader was never going to step down.
Kylo beat Snoke without being killed.
if it's no longer about skywalkers it's retarded to keep calling them episodes, but yes. they're doing another trilogy.