Does anyone else have a problem relating to this show...

Does anyone else have a problem relating to this show? Most of it feels like "Rich white people problems" that happen because the characters make retarded decisions 24/7 and have no self control . Bojack obviously being the main offender obviously. It really feels like a product of 2000s brand whineyness.

>Does anyone else have a problem relating to this show?
I dont think you need to relate to the characters to enjoy it, you should enjoy it for seeing horrible people become better people

I feel like this show really only needed 2 seasons. By the third, the shtick of Bojack being self destructive got old. It's really a product of American liberal worldviews where the characters are supposed to gain sympathy for doing dumb shit because of >lol depression.

Basically it's "White People Problems: the Animated Series"

>Rich white people problems

So what problems do rich black people have? Or rich Asian people?

Rich Asians have pressure to be total successes in one narrow thing. and "muh famirry honor"
And
>rich black people

The whole idea of the show is that Bojack's wealth does nothing to help him be happy because he's a broken, mentally ill person. He has nothing that actually makes him happy.

If you see a class or race issue you don't get it, you wouldnt be any happier in his place, having been so thoroughfully screwed over as a child and lived in the hollywood environment.

Nobody has really grown in the show. Bojack is only now getting better, Diane and PC are mainly the same. Todd and Mr. Peanut butter are also the same as they ever was.

Mental illness doesn't care how rich you are. No amount of money fixes a broken mind. Just ask Robin Williams. Oh wait.

I kind of understand what you mean, OP. But you the emotions they go through are a lot greater than those that only rich white people go through. Feeling of inadequacies, of regret are universal traits. Keep watching the show, OP. I think you might like it.

PC's arc is getting interesting actually, she just had a full collapse and destroyed her whole life out of an inability to switch off her pep and sass and be genuine, she drove off the two men that had been the most loyal and understanding and is back to square 0.

Steven Universe is better at this

The root problems all of the characters have aren’t economical, they’re existential. Placing them at the top of the social food chain where they want for nothing, live easy lives but are still miserable sort of isolates their psychological and philosophical problems. With Bojack and Diane in particular, the problem is that they SHOULD be happy and grateful but instead they’re unhappy, confused and guilty for their unhappiness.

I can relate to the characters just fine but I still hate the show's execution. It feels dishonest and there's no subtlety. Every time the characters talk about how depressed and dysfunctional they are I want to throw up, because it's always conveyed in some horribly on the nose, obnoxious manner that's more indicative of online cry-for-help "depression" instead of the real thing.

>Implying a cry of help isn't a part of living with depression.

But you're right, in an attempt to be witty, the show loses authenticity. But, it's a comedy, so what the hell did you expect?

You're right. I shouldn't have said "'cry-for-help' depression," because that's still inaccurate. What I should have said was it's more indicative of when people talk about their "depression" online because they want attention.

>But, it's a comedy, so what the hell did you expect?
Why is that important? It could be a comedy while still handling depression and self-destruction with some level of authenticity and subtlety.

The show's writing is good but what the goddamn fuck's the point in animating it. It should be a podcast or a series of short stories in a magazine, stop wasting people's times with this loveless, emotionless tweened-ass style that conveys nothing never

now now, lets not pretend that the only rich black people aren't your most popular rappers, and football/basketball players.

I'd imagine its family drama and cheating for them.

He likley died from autoerotic asphyxiation.

They exist, just dont have any real social stress because they live exactly as they would in the hood but are rewarded for being trash. Black higher up probably though I was mixed (I mean probably some mix, but my family is from mexico) and he said as long as I play my cards right I could never be fired because I was black as the company is terrified of a law suit and he could just name anyone in management as being racist towards him and every other black person would join in.

That's ridiculously racist.

I dont think its that everybody relates to them, It's more like they relate to wanting to be a better person but they can't help that they're a pretty shitty person. Because for some reason, everybody deeps down hate themselves for no reason, me included. I mean, I could find the next cash cow and make bank, and find the cure for cancer, and still find some way to hate myself and fuck it up, because why do I deserve nice things,even?But that's just me.

Atleast that's my theory on why everyone finds a way to relate to these characters when they really arent relatable at all.

So racist

Pretty sure Todd's You need to do better! Rant was a giant fuck you to that way of thinking.

Chinese, Mormons and Jews tend to be successful due to having family-oriented cultures motivated by shame. It’s a thing, you can google it.

Because you haven't grown out of your edgy phase fully.

Bojack having no issues with money and living a luxurious lifestyle surrounded by the rich and famous just stresses out how he's still miserable despite having no "real" reason to be.
You can relate to the emotional core despite all the differences.
Even outlandish characters like Mr. Peanutbutter have this deep element of humanity that anybody can understand. In between his moments of stupidity or hyperactivity, he's deeply concerned about being alone while trying not to care about it at the same time.

how is it edgy to have ingrained feelings of guilt and struggling to hold oneself in good regard?

I don't relate to the characters but I still get them. Relatability isn't the end all be all of story telling.

That's not the point. The show's to a large extent about how no matter how lucky and succesful you are, if you have a self destructive personality it'll still ruin your life. It's not that Bojack, Diane or Princess Caroline don't have the means to deal with their problems, it's that they're mentally incapable of handling them.

I feel like the show has worn out it's welcome a tad, too. I can think of dozens of scenes in Season 4 that were outright un-enjoyable to watch, and they didn't do anything thought provoking or groundbreaking with these scenes.

>Mister PB tries to be a politician and oh look at how dumb the people that vote for him are, hurr hurr this has never been done before, ESPECIALLY not in 2017
>Princess Caroline's cringey as fuck trying to get pregnant drama
>The 1950s were SO BAD AND SEXIST AND RACIST AND BIGOTED absolutely NO ONE was actually happy and if you think there is nothing wrong with a normal nuclear family you are a fucking NAZI
>Bojack somehow spends an entire season accomplishing nothing at all, again
>The forced and cringey Todd Asexual storyline, holy shit, who cares if Todd wants to bang or not I don't need this stupid fucking introduction to this alternative lifestyle complete with buzzwords and lingo


I knew this show was Liberal Hollywood to the maximum but they managed to keep a lid on the preaching until Donald Drumpf got two scoops of ice cream and now every fucking show has to be about sex, race and politics.

Not really optimistic about the direction the show is going, TL;DR. It had potential when it was cartoons with drama, now it's full on fucking Tumblr

>it's another OP is massive retarded faggot thread

To put it simply: Bojack horseman isn't relatable. He's only relatable in strands of straw basically to that one scene, yeah there's fucking depression and procrastination but jesus christ most people got the hang of picking their shit up and making things work for themselves.

If anything all of these characters are so privileged, it actually makes me want to think about the good ol' "White privilege" shit that Americans love to push apparently.

And I think The episode of "Escape from LA" actually tells us all the truth if anything on how LA is basically white people central of how they think that the world is so easy. Bojack gives a teen liquor and the kid gets alcohol poisioning that needed her stomach being pumped.

Bojack thinks that anything that wrong or self-destructive that he does can basically be made right.

WHERE

DO YOU THINK

YOU ARE

It aims to get 3 audience
People with depression and fuck up their good fortune.
People that have it bad but would like to think the overside can have it just as bad
Tryhards that broadcast nothing matters in life like it's some unknown truth.

>Tryhards that broadcast nothing matters in life like it's some unknown truth.

the entire lesson from Bojack is that being an hedonist nihilist is a path to self destruction

I warned Sup Forums that tumblr was coming here

Nobody listens

Everyone here writes off Todd as just dumb comedy Relief, sadly.

Jesus Christ Sup Forums you should just not watch anything if you have to throw a fit about how everything you see is attacking your dim-ass world view.

Bojack Horseman initially got off the ground because the last half of the first season with its character's downward spiral was so incommensurate with the first half that was mostly run-of-the-mill adult sitcom that the show seemed like it was attempting to do something serious and new. That it was going to 'break the mold' of what adult animation was typically used for in America and push the medium forward. The first season seemed deliberately constructed to lull the audiences into a false idea of what the show was about and then attack those expectations with the second half.

After the creators kind of blew their narrative load with the first season the show had nothing really left in store. They lost the sense of subverting expectations because everyone already saw the first season and knows the tenor of the show. They tried to compensate by ramping up the dramatic aspects with new and more 'shocking' pitfalls for the characters, but it doesn't have the same impact of going from a comedy to a drama. You're going from a drama to a more extreme drama which has the effect of coming off as a melodrama rather than actually impacting the audience in the way they wanted.

Bojack Horseman essentially committed the cardinal sin of becoming too predictable.

Ew.

Yeah, I get you.

I couldn't get past the first episode, but from what I hear he goes down some deep slumps that people found pretty relatable.