"The Supermen Theory"

Let's leave aside all the Watchmen stuff and discuss one of the major plot points for the wider DC universe introduced in the story.
According to Doomsday Clock, the reason why the USA has more metahumans than other countries is because of a massive government conspiracy. Metamorpho and a bunch of his villains were all created by the government as their agents, and fought each other as part of their cover story. Man-Bat was apparently working for the feds as well.
How much of all this is meant to be just in-universe propaganda and how much of it is supposed to be true?

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When are they going to namedrop Fredric Wertham.

It's funny because China is the one actually making government produced superheroes.

Considering Lex is one of the main people championing the theory, take it with a grain of salt.

This is all just Bates/Weisman Captain Atom at a larger scale, and less Wade Eiling being a gloriously petty piece of shit.

Is them providing ipads a sign Gotham Linda is a really nice quality library?

Based Trump.

Trump would never call something "outright lies" or "completely fictitious". His vocabulary is more limited, he'd just say "fake news".

I think it sounds like a critique of American Exceptionalism: The USA has more meta humans because it's the greatest country in the world.

Why would China need to make Superheroes when they have Sun Wukong?

Because they killed all their metahumans in the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution.

Because the government can't control Sun Wukong. Didn't work with the celestial court, ain't gonna work now

>The Supermen Theory
>Expect the golden age "All humans will evolve to be like superman" bit to have resurfaced
>It's just some doomsday clock bullshit garbage
Fuck you OP. You raised my hopes only to murder them.

Sun Wukong is under the thumb of a monk on a short leash. Did you forget what China did to Tibet?

>Because they killed all their metahumans in the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution.

Really? That's a thing?

This, nothing new.

It's retarded, while decent writers take is that while there's a lot or metas in murrika the rest of the world also has tons of metas, it's just that we don't get to read those stories.

Take Morrison's japan and how huge their hero scene was, given that most metas outside murrika are more likely to be either part of a military so they don't act independently or magic based it just makes sense.

The superman theory it's not only a shitty idea, but sounds so much like american exceptionalism, it shats on all the jard work Morrison did, on the great ten, on chink superman, it's simpler to have the world mad at murrika than develop more heroes for other countries.

I can't care less about Doomsday clock, but there's so much interesting shit they could had done, from taking the Wildstrom characters and change their nationalities to australians, there's you go, half of their comics are now canon, but just happened half a world away. Have a real JLI. Actually develop the red rockets as the meta army of russia, let's remember URUGUAY got nuked and doesnt exist anymore, bring back aztek, let's have more ANGELS in the world, more aliens. Let's take icon and make him Brazillian, there's no need to focus on them, just know they are out there
But no. Let's do something that both sounds like the dumbest theory and as a extremely shitty gimmick. Fuck Johns for making the world SMALLER. In a world that is attacked by GODS, where the "meta-human gene" was a thing were all humans with meta potential once fought mageddon, Johns is telling us to forget all that, it's not that american comics focused on american characters, it's just that a normal thing is actually the plot point of a new event. Fuck Johns.

Seriously fuck Johns, you just need to take a look at the Lanterns, Johns included 2 new lanterns and both are americans, he could had made one from Peru and the other from the middle east, but nope. Both are fucking americans.

That is right from the Great Ten mini.

Only when talking about Rosie O' Donnel. Otherwise he can be quite verbose.

That is super fucked then. Jesus.

Nothing.
It's all supposed to be fictional alt-right journalism.

Kinda.

>I think it sounds like a critique of American Exceptionalism


Mate, Johns believes in American Exceptionalism

It's exactly the type of attempted justification to insert gravitas into comicbooks by baby-minded "architects" such as Geoff Johns who don't realize that the only output from them scowling and putting on their serious face is a full diaper.

>lets taken existing characters and change their nationality
Marvel please go.

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Mao was a mistake. China needs to go back to being a dynasty instead of trying to emulate the West.

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Like how they claim that terrorist attacks are forged by the goverment to take away their gun rights.

>It's retarded, while decent writers take is that while there's a lot or metas in murrika the rest of the world also has tons of metas, it's just that we don't get to read those stories.
Yeah, that's what Marvel goes with, I like that idea.

No, they were forged as an excuse to invade our privacy.

I honestly want to read a comic about Chinese Superheroes fighting crime in Warlord Era China. It's honestly the only timeline where it would make sense.

It's not

Yeah, and pretty much every country used some meta during WW, most countries had some kind of magic based metas, there's a fucking island that has their princess as embassador on the UN, there's ATLANTIS.

I seriously can't understand the idea behind this shit, apparently everyone in the world is an absolute moron outside americans.

Donald Trump speaks at an elementary school level. Lord knows how he writes.

-that we've come to expect from this walking corpse of a DCU.

>everyone in the world is an absolute moron outside americans.
Just like real life.

>Take Morrison's japan and how huge their hero scene was, given that most metas outside murrika are more likely to be either part of a military so they don't act independently or magic based it just makes sense.

I really liked how Morrison pointed out how both cultures tend to glaze over the deeper meanings behind the franchises they mine for symbolism and just retrofit the surface aspects they find appealing to suit their preferences and needs.

On one hand, you'll have someone from the West see a Samurai and only view them as a rad exotic adventuring swordsman they can dress up as during Halloween instead of the much more restrictive and politically charged entity that he actually was

On the other, you have Superbat's kind who sees Superman's icon and just see it as an eye-catching, dynamic, but ultimately meaningless icon that they can twist and warp for the sake of aesthetics and faux-symbolism

It's why you get that weird uncanny valley effect whenever either side tries to emulate the other's creative or cultural output. Keep in mind, it's never to the point of Blackface. It's less insulting and more eerie.

>anti-Johnsfag ignoring how Geoff Johns created most of those non-american superheroes they love so much.

This theory seems to hinge on the fact that most metahumans appeared after Superman revealed himself to the public. Won't it all be disproven if/when the Justice Society comes back? Is that what this is foreshadowing?

Hasn't this been established back in the 80s? There's a Firestorm comic that explains that rogue scientists at a Metahuman research institute developed a virus to create Metahumans.

That's how Killer Frost was made.

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Trump is fun for all ages then.

>Mao was a mistake

Americans really don't understand how fucked up was china and how poor it was. They were 3 centuries behind before mao, mao was a savage, and china is still a shithole, but mao was nothing more than a reaction to european imperialism, a concept of royalty that was fucked up and the japs being japs.

Chinese americans are even worse than cuban americans when it comes to suck neo-liberalist cock.

>How much of all this is meant to be just in-universe propaganda
Most of it. Dr.Jace is a character with a long history of metahuman experimentation and acting like a cunt.

>The superman theory it's not only a shitty idea,
Well it's propaganda from Lex.
>but sounds so much like american exceptionalism
I think it's the exact opposite. Johns is not saying that america is the best country because it has a lot of metas.

>eat your meat
>then beat your meat

How did they get away with this?
Who's that dude in the advertisement supposed to be, anyway?

Fake metas are a thing since the 40's, especially in germany. Major force was all about that in captain atom, but it was never implied only americans did it.

Like... What characters do we love so much? And please don't tell me some alien with a green ring counts as non-american

>Johns is not saying that america is the best country because it has a lot of metas.

Johns is implying America has a lot of metas and others don't. That america is special, as oppossed to other writers that implied that the world is filled with metas is just that we don't know about them. Johns is a simpleminded red blooded american.

Why couldn't people do this with bush. Or is the majority of the_Cheeto's fans born after Bush's presidency.

Why are they speaking German like Turkish immigrants?

>Johns is a simpleminded red blooded american.
I thought the meme was that Johns hates America. I swear, the excuses change every month.

>I thought the meme was that Johns hates America.

I'm pretty sure no one has ever said that, especially when every comic he does is set in america at least the characters are playing with rings. Why are you so dense johnsfag?

Also "red blooded american" isnt a good thing, it's just calling johns a dumb ignorant american, and johns clearly is one.

>I swear, the excuses change every month.

People don't need excuses to shit on your husbando

What is this fucking Cold War tier propaganda doing in a modern comic? The Cultural Revolution of China was mostly peaceful.

It's absolutely disgusting to use Japanese styled animation to promote a man who tried to destroy the Japanese economy with his anti-TPP stance.

And I doubt that many superheroes died during it either.

>Johns is implying America has a lot of metas and others don't.
Which to be fair, is a true statement. In DC comics America is the center of superheroics and villainy.
>that america is special.
But it's not a good thing, it's supposedly a deep state conspiracy where the government is experimenting on humans.

Nobody died. It's like saying people died during the Hippie era.

>ask chinese americans opinions
>they gave their opinion
>now is canon

It's the same shit that happens with cuban americans

I really believe they fucked up, the metas should had been killed due their relationship with the tibet or support of foreign powers, make hong kong a high density meta place. They fucked up, but sounds more like mixing up things and eras than actual propaganda. The father of chink superman talking about democracy was pure propaganda tho.

People did died during the hippie era.

>their relationship with the tibet or support of foreign powers

Tibet never existed. Stop trying to replace propaganda with yet MORE propaganda.

>Babby maeks poopoo

you some kind of moron user?

You'll have to write in proper English for me to merit your post with a response, moron.

with the amount of parties going on in the summer of love I would be willing to bet a lot of people died in their own vomit
or we could go with the people beat the death in protests
you would also have to be specific about "the hippie era" most countries had it in one for or another,America isn't the only one and some countries had a much more volatile one that\n others ie Germany.
on top of THAT if you want to include the hippie era to be the full gamut from 1960 to 1975 you get Kent State which was pretty violent and did cause some deaths
just because something was relatively peaceful doesn't mean it was perfect, people die all the time, and people are always willing to be assholes

>hippies were anti-war pacifists
>"THEY MUST HAVE KILLED SOMEBODY AT SOME POINT!!!!!"

Do you even listen to yourself?

Are we gonna just go ahead and ignore the references to Hourman and Alan Scott?

Unfortunately yes. I really think people are reading too much into this, and that this is just part of the Society's return.

>hippie era only includes hippies
nigga you know the civil rights protest were going on right?
on top of that do you know how many ROTC buildings were bombed during the anti war protests
hell take a look at the "anti -war" weatherman bombers
now most people who were hippies didn't do this but this is simple history there are shitty people no matter where you go
what is it with this black and white shit
and want to talk about violence there was much more of it than people let on
look at the Chicago democratic convention of 1968

>Kent State which was pretty violent and did cause some deaths
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Do you actually believe that it was the hippies killing people at Kent State?

I agree on Marvel being better than dc with regards to this

did I say hippies killed anyone? the subject was about violence in movements period either perpetrated or perpetrated against a group

I see some mors than JSA and see The Outsiders

Recently Batman revealed The Outsiders back as a black OPs team.
Katana is clearly his person in the Waller government SS.
Terrific was shown to be his multiverse guy.
This mentioned Rex another Outsider and Markovia the country of Geo Force another Outsider.

>This gratious german
>Evil organization in an unimportant village like Berlin.

Another example from China

Canada has a disproportionate amount of superhumans. Deadpool, Squirrel Girl, Madison Jeffries, Sabretooth, Wild Child, Transonic, are Canadians too.
They tend to be x-men related

Selene, Magma, Sunspot, Black Tarantula, Dr Lykos/Sauron and the depowered 2000s new mutant Wind Dancer, are pretty much all South Americans.

>The Cultural Revolution of China was mostly peaceful
> Owing to difficulties that scholars in and outside China encounter in accessing ‘state secrets," the exact figure of the “abnormal death” has become a recurring debate in the field of China studies. Estimates by various scholars range from one-half to eight million. According to R.J. Rummel's 1991 analysis of, the figure should be around 7.73 million.
>we literally don't know because the chinese government don't want to tell us
>it was peaceful guys, doesn't matter if Mao later made tons of death, it doesn't matter if we don't know the xact number

Next you're going to say Venezuela isn't real communism.

China actually has 2 super-teams, which makes sense given how big the country is. It would be cool if we got a story where they have to team up but it turns out they don't get along due to different stances on the Chinese government.
It's a pity that Marvel Japan doesn't have any named superheroes now that Big Hero 6 has been exiled from continuity.

>Next you're going to say Venezuela isn't real communism.
It's not. It's real Socialism.

China just got a third. Green Lantern Styls Corps.

Like there's any real differences

I think you're reading too much into it, they're taking the fact the Big Two were American companies that made American superheroes for American audiences and trying to apply it to the setting.

>Next you're going to say Venezuela isn't real communism.


are you retarded? It's not real communism, it's a giant fuck up by retards that have no idea when it comes to politics. Chavez's constitution was rejected for NOT being socialist back in the day, maduro isnt a marxist, he isnt a commie, he is a leftist but the guy and his team are just absolute retards. You can't even call them a government, they are just fuck ups.

But that isnt the issue, the issue is that the theory it's retarded and that johns could had done something way better if he werent so lazy.

>I really think people are reading too much into thi

It's a watchmen sequel and people will put it under the heavy scrutiny. Johns opened the door for people to call it on his mistakes when he included the russian and north korea issues.

The Metamorpho thing is probably bullshit. Those villains who claim that the government created them are either lying to get revenge on Metamorpho, lying in the hopes of getting their sentences reduced, or lying because somebody like Lex Luthor put them up to it with bribes and/or threats.

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>thinking Marvel does international better than DC
I don't think so.
JLE
JlI
Batman Inc.
Great Ten
JLC
Global guardians
All better than whatever Marvel got.

>it's a giant fuck up by retards that have no idea when it comes to politics.
>You can't even call them a government, they are just fuck ups.
So Communism

>It's not real communism
>they are just fuck ups.
so literally what communism/socialism bring every single time to the table, fuck ups who don't want to do anything that's hard but want power anyway and fuck things up? Thank for conferming that Venezuela is real communism.

They are not impying that, they are saying that Marvel doesnt imply there's more metas in america to any important degree (there is more, but it's mostly due the new york scene).
Yes, DC did it well, but CURRENTLY Johns, the same writer that created 2 new AMERICAN lanterns in the last 5 years is starting a plot that requieres the rest of the world to be retarded and not to have their fair share of metas.


You can't expect the WORLD to believe that shit if atlantis and the amazons are a thing, you cant at least you think the rest of the world is retarded.

I will put it in a way you idiots can understand: Commies control their own countries, Maduro could NEVER have a funtional gulag.

Whether the US actually has more superheroes is unknown/irrelevant. US superheroes are far more well known in universe, and international metas tend to operate out of the US or have direct ties to American superheroes. It's kind of like Hollywood. There are actors and celebrities in every country, but none of them have the international recognition certain American celebrities have.

>Commies control their own countries
>Maduro could NEVER have a funtional gulag
>larazon.es/internacional/venezuela-el-gulag-de-maduro-DK8905360
He doesn't need to, he made his whole country a gulag apparently.

>it's communism because I feel like it even though it has none of the core ideology of communism
I guess Donald Trump really is a Nazi, then.

China with Xorn and the Collective Man (who now seems to be able to drawing power from the 1300 million Chinese) would have an extremely powerful team.

>they are saying that Marvel doesnt imply there's more metas in america

That is not true. It's implied in Avengers Initiative that outside of mutants, you have more superheroes in America.

>to any important degree (there is more, but it's mostly due the new york scene).

Can you at least post the entire line saying the same

Didn't Garth Ennis' Hit man basically talk about this?

Bloodlines, the 1990s plotline the Superman Theory mentions is talked about here and there in Hitman. In the end the government is trying to figure out how to make their own superheroes using tbe alien DNA. When Superman investigates he cant get past the red tape.

Guise! Wayne is always frowning in his public appearances and I know why! BRUCE WAYNE IS SUPERMAN!!

M8. This has been a thing since DOC SAVAGE.

The whole super-soldier shiut, the nazi superheroes, this is one of the oldest things in comics and no. It's a stupid idea by a stupid writer, just ignore it.

I dunno, the SUPER YOUNG TEAM was a pretty racist and offense reflection of a reflection.

If you want to see what japanese takes on superheroes would look like, there's Kamen Rider and Sentai which are aimed at little children, and Hero Academia and Tiger and Bunny for teens, and the MCU for adults.

Hitman had African warlords using metas as enforcers. I imagine all armed conflicts nowadays are even worse due to meta involvement on both sides

Pretty easy to explain
1. The United States has been the 3rd or 4th most populated country for the last century
2. The United States gets more immigrants than the rest of the world combined.
3. Not only does the US have a massive native and immigrant population to draw Superheroes from but it also has a free first world standard of living to encourage people to become Superheroes. In most places Superhumans are either too busy trying to get enough food to eat or the government is so authoritarian that it's easier to join the military than try to become a Superhero.

My German sucks, but even I can tell how bad that is. Jesus God. Get someone who actually speaks German, dude.