Reminder not to bring old arguments into a new thread
Jason Anderson
Hail Mandalore!
Samuel Carter
>98003160 Vong to show up and smash Chewie with a moon
Oliver Hall
Star Wars isn't just a thing for socially alienated white men/boys anymore. It's grown beyond that little niche, and it also needs to lose the baggage associated with whiteness/maleness to reach a larger audience and have more influence.
Lots of the lessons and teachings embodied by Luke Skywalker are white, masculine and western in character. They've been done to death. The monomyth, Joseph Campbellian structure is dated and stale, and it can't keep running on those fumes forever.
I sympathize with lots of the grumbling white male neckbeards are doing. Star Wars was their thing and they don't want to share their beloved toys. And they're obviously gonna hate The Last Jedi because, in essence, it's about how Luke's legend really was flawed and limited in its scope.
The Jedi philosophy, just like the phallocentric white male western patriarchy, was bogged down in its own dogma. There's something beautiful and touching about the sentiment of "passing the torch" in TLJ. The white western male, long held as the only source of heroism and power in the canon, gracefully steps aside not only for his own good, but for the good of the universe.
In more diverse and progressive hands, there's no telling what this universe, and the force along with it, might become. It's an exciting prospect, to say the least, for those who aren't embittered neckbeards living in their parents' basements.
TLJ is going to be a watershed moment in sci-fi and genre films generally. It's all about letting go, letting your creation grow beyond you. And Star Wars, like civilization itself, has evolved beyond its parochial and patriarchal past.
Michael Johnson
How would you make Sana an interesting character?
Joshua Morales
CORELLIAN ALE, IN A CLEAN GLASS
Jacob Wright
>Just because I accept one thing for rule of cool doesnt mean I must accept everything for rule of cool. But you said it in the same post where you said that you thought the story was fundamentally flawed! You did not frame that nitpick as just a preference, but a flaw.
Jose Green
I liked The Last Jedi. It was not perfect, but I liked it.
Asher Reyes
who wants some midichlorians?
Alexander Butler
SO POWERFUL
Josiah Bell
Hail!
Carter Lopez
>this copypasta
Angel Sanders
TCW's art style is better than Rebels
Aaron Flores
You are the guy who was losing the argument though.
Carter Green
HE'S STILL OUT THERE
Jayden Turner
Same. I have problems with it, but the Luke/Rey/Kylo side of it gave it a stronger (if still flawed) core. It somewhat makes up for the weakness of the whole Poe/Finn/Rose/Holdo/Hux B plot, which needed another revision or two.
Thomas Carter
WHERES MY HUSBANDO TOURNEY
Jose Martinez
it should be a bannable offense to post anything other than ships in this general
Nicholas Wright
It was quite the scuffle it seems, but the fight is over.
Jace Jenkins
>Snoke wasn't a giant Waste opportunity desu
Noah Adams
Is /swco/ ready to admit that Rebels isn't good? And neither is the nu-trilogy?
Adrian Martin
Snoke looked different to me in TLJ and I can't place why. It's not even just the wardrobe change, something about his face felt different.
Nathaniel Murphy
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John Morgan
>three props and a flat-textured wall *inhales*
Jayden Rodriguez
DAMNIT
Grayson Richardson
RIP Autism alien man
Cooper Edwards
*turns Anakin into Darth Vader*
Elijah Martin
>Kasan Moor >Moor >She isn't black What did Lucasarts mean by this?
Aiden Baker
Lando to win!
Christian Jones
Honestly its a tough one. Im not opposed to her existing, but at least make her fun or interesting or something goddamn.
Sana and Aphra both feel very much like Marvel said "Yo Kathleen, the OT is looking too white and male, can we add some extra characters" - But Gillen actually put effort into Aphra to make her fun enough to carry her own little adventures.
Sana is just... there. She is "black woman who was always a part of the OT crew, you just didn't know it until now!" but with no actual interesting stories or personality or anything.
Just... DO SOMETHING WITH HER, ANYTHING, holy shit. She is from the criminal underworld, so have her get into trouble with old rivals and bounty hunters. Or have her be more brutal and cause some contention and drama with Leia. I mean she's gotta get kicked out of the crew eventually right. Hera being at Hoth is one thing, but Sana is literally flying around on the Falcon, you can't just pretend she was offscreen during ESB.
Samuel Rodriguez
>When Season 1 of TCW looks better than most of Rebels
Noah Mitchell
However Rebels has >better more developed characters >faster pace >tighter narratives >stronger arcs >better humor >more intelligent villains >chronological order
Lucas Adams
Round 18!
>He is one with the Force, but will the Force be with Chirrut Imwe when he faces Captain Rex? strawpoll.me/14804692
Jason Garcia
Luke being so grumpy never did sit right with me, but it was okay. Just okay. I would be okay with some grumpiness and unwillingness, but I felt they swung him just a bit too far in that direction. Other than that, I agree.
Nathaniel Allen
>Rebels signaled the end of the EU and the beginning of the new canon as the very first piece of new canon Star Wars content after the purge >EUfags still cant let go after FOUR FUCKING YEARS
Luis Roberts
>Epicanthix >isn't played by an Asian actor What did Lucasarts mean by this?
Carter Mitchell
I liked it more than 3 other SW movies
Isaiah Lopez
Not going to carry over debate from thread to thread. I replied in the last one and will not continue here to prevent ruining the new thread at the start
Jeremiah Bailey
>the exact same scene in Rebels how does this look worse
Easton Reyes
How is taste this bad even allowed
Zachary Gonzalez
This is kind of how I feel. The B plot is what dragged the movie down for me, it felt like Rian had a solid idea of what he wanted to do with the Force-wielders but didn't really know what to do with the rest of the cast and came up with an awkward side plot that doesn't really come together and doesn't really help develop any of its characters.
Hudson Barnes
Best girl, only one that could go head to head with the best boys in Rogue Squadron
Jonathan Reyes
>not even creating your own assets 3 seasons into your show
OH NO NO NO NO
Austin King
I wouldn't dislike the nu-canon if it was at least as good or better than the old EU.
Ayden White
I still ship Kyle and Yun.
Michael Wright
GO GO BOUNTY HUNTERS!
Joshua Ramirez
Agreed
Jordan Lewis
You don't want to sell me midichlorians.
Jace Turner
Textures, and the facial mesh looks less detailed.
Chase Reyes
>Nothing in the story has changed The whole thing would have to change though. If Obi Wan had a personality close to Qui-Gon's, the entire story changes. Qui-Gon would never be put on the council. Remember that movie Obi thinks Qui-Gon wastes too much time fucking around with "pathetic lifeforms" like Jar Jar and Anakin.
(and don't get on your high horse about ruining the thread. Every thread is shit because it's movie season)
Mason Garcia
Luke interacting with Wedge more when?
Carter Hernandez
>This post
Brayden Barnes
I like Chirrut, but he will accept that Rex's victory here is the will of the Force. Sorry bro.
Julian Clark
I agree with everything you just said, and I love Rebels and will defend it to the death but that is the worst fucking piece of star wars "art" - official or fan - that I've ever seen and I hate its continual reposting
Jeremiah Davis
>Mangos Can someone please explain the appeal of these guys to me? They just seem like every other "hurr hurr only the strongest survive" raider tribe in fiction.
Logan Jones
..i dont want to sell you midichlorians..
Aiden Williams
left is a grill my grill
Christian Lopez
Reminder there's nothing wrong with finding Gwendoline Christie attractive.
Christian Brooks
Holy shit, I love both cartoons, can we stop?
It's gotten to the point where instead of "X looks better than Y", you're saying "Y looks worse than X" which is petty bullshit - Both shows look fantastic and there are picturesque examples of flawless use of both artstyles. And both shows can also be cherrypicked to look unflattering too.
TCW has a higher budget and thus more potential for busier frames and smaller details, but Rebel's simpler artstyle works in the shows favor too, especially with the tone and relevancy of the setting and era.
Now get over it and enjoy both shows like a proper /swco/ gentlemen.
Jack Lopez
How can you say that when the TCW characters are literal wooden blocks? I mean even if you look at the Rebels models, they have objectively higher polycounts and higher res textures than any TCW model, no matter how good.
Joseph Phillips
>But Gillen actually put effort into Aphra to make her fun enough to carry her own little adventures. >Just... DO SOMETHING WITH HER, ANYTHING I feel the same way. Aphra at least has a distinguishable character that makes for some fun interactions when she joins up with the main cast. Sana really doesn't. What exactly does she bring to the Luke-Leia-Han dynamic that justifies a fairly big place in the mainline comic? I wonder if they're building to something or are they just freewheeling.
Daniel Hill
Does look pretty feminine
Jayden Martinez
Luke not getting a cool action scene is fucking terrible, Luke losing to Rey is fucking terrible, Luke not having a son is fucking terrible, Luke not establishing a New Jedi Order is fucking terrible, The Last Jedi is ok.
Easton King
>When your budget is so low you reuse assets from unfinished parts of and earlier seasons of TCW
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAH
Tyler Miller
They're aesthetic as fuck.
John Thomas
If your aesthetic is the letter "T" I guess.
Zachary Sanchez
nice duouble dubs
also, nice showcase of superb taste as well
Samuel Martinez
They look cool
Jason Sullivan
Why bother remaking them when you can import them and slightly change them? It's like you want to waste money making new assets from scratch for every single thing.
Aaron Peterson
I think Hera looks great
Noah King
turning Luke into a parricidal coward who can't face what he did, doesn't try to correct his mistakes, and leaves Han and Leia to die, might be the worst fucking thing ever in Star Wars.
Nothing will ever top that.Fuck you and fuck your buddy "Rian". I would take a movie that was all B plots over that shit
Jose Jenkins
nigga I love chicks that are 6' and taller, GC to me is often an insta boner
Jose Long
Jesus Christ Yoda. I'll never get over him in Rebels on TLJ.
Lucas Parker
They are, but people mainly like them for their armor. It looks cool as fuck and pretty much screams bounty hunter
Joshua King
You want to go home and rethink your life.
Nolan Allen
Stop being a fucking EUfag you autist, nobody likes them. Theres a reason you get ridiculed. You literally only post here out of spite because people are enjoying stuff that replaced your shitty EU. Get over it.
also >crying over generic trailer shots that were designed to hide the surprises of the game Do you bitch about the dozens of other movies and game trailers that have done this?
Seraphim Tano Skywalker. The secret daughter of Anakin & Ahsoka. Cute.
Ryan Hall
Huh. Pressing the 'vote' button doesn't seem to do anything at all.
This happening to anyone else?
Eli Harris
PLEASE don't take the easy way out by claiming the high ground here. The thread was doomed from this post already, as that poster is lurking.
Christopher Anderson
>I would take a movie that was all B plots over that shit You don't know what a B plot is, do you?
Benjamin Wright
...
Jack Powell
>When your budget is so low that in order to make fur on wolves you have to have the big battles take place in a literal barren wasteland with nothing to animate
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
Jack Richardson
..i want to go home, and kill myself..
Jordan Scott
>Who was in the wrong here? Van Darkholme was
Aaron Myers
That's like complaining that ROTJ reused ANH Luke saber props for Vader's after they lost the actual one
Christopher Mitchell
Isn't that just straight up Serra Keto?
Asher Cruz
Was Kyle the only jedi who can't fly ships?
Dominic Barnes
This is the best you can do with 200 million Rian?
Dominic Anderson
>There's a reason you get ridiculed Lol wut? I only see people laughing at Disney Shills nowadays.
Brody Stewart
People can and do bitch about Sheev apparently using Anakin's saber in some shot, so I don't see why the OT is exempt.
Kayden Peterson
why dont they make the whole death star out of the black box
Josiah Rivera
Well here is me trying to help you guys out. Would you prefer I carry over a debate that isnt important over? Maybe we can ignore the other guy and start fresh.
Grayson Martin
"Good artists copy; great artists steal."
Dylan Anderson
>those three guys on the left
Sebastian Allen
A person with some sense
Blake Price
His home plant get blow up, in front of is eyes. yet he still loyal to empire What's wrong with this guy ?
Austin Parker
I’m not totally sure, but it seems like they made him slightly less pale. It’s hard to tell what color he was in the first due to lighting. I kind of like that they gave him a much lighter color palette than most darksiders.
