Well, turns out Jumanji is making more money at the box office than Justice League right now.
What could have been changed to make things better since the development of Batman v Superman?
Let's get a few things out of the way:
>Remove Cyborg from the plot and the team roster
>Hal Jordan is part of the Justice League roster
>Avoid any Fourth World connections
>Have Starro or Brainiac as the main threath of the movie
>Superman does not die at the end of Batman v Superman
>Don't hire Snyder
>Don't hire Snyder
>Don't hire Snyder
Also don't fucking hire Snyder, he's an awful director
By starting over entirely instead of trying to flip a condemned home
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Nope.
Superman not dying means you're starting a movie by saying something significant didn't happen just 18-24 months ago. Retrospectively, you might want them to release Wonder Woman after MoS, release a Batman movie and then a proper sequent to MoS that rebooted the character AND then do a JL movie (skipping anything like BvS). But that's not reality we live in/with.
Agree that Stepenwolf was not a good villain and conquering the planet with a large, alien looking army was too reductive. Just drop all that stuff.
I'm not a fan of Vic in the comic books but I think the film did a decent enough job of explaining WHY he was there, even if it required the Mother Box plot (which is really more a stupid forced adaption of Cereal Lord crap ideas, same as the scenes with Barry and Henry at the prison).
Don't think Hal is necessary. They could have started the movie with a different plot and just have Barry and Arthur play small roles or not be on at all, and definitely no Vic since you don't have the Mother Box plot.
The Batman stand-alone movie could have been done with Birds of Prey, and the sequel to MoS could have been done with Parasite, using the version where he is a Luthorcorp employee, and the cause of his conversion is some chemical batch. The chemical batch is part of a cloning process (unsuccesful) for Bizarro, and Eisenlex can be a clone for an older Luthor with the brain swapping plot to get him out of jail (referencing the Donnerverse and even Superman Rebirth without necessarily having to cast an older Luthor at this time). This would set up a Justice League movie being similar to BvS except without the actual battle being between Bruce and Clark, but as the rationale that brings them together, with WW as she was introduced there, coming in to fight Doomsday, as a smaller version of Justice League, leading to a more full team up after say a GL/Flash team up movie and whatever else.
Give superman a fucking personality or just cast a nigger to play him. Change it up that supes crashed in africa.. in the jungle.. was raised by the zebras..secretly flew into america because he liked fresh prince alot on tv.. now he works as a car mechanic full time while banging white bitches at the club erry night.
Set the batman film in the slave days.. wayne family owns huge plantations.. alfred is a house nigga.. or maybe switch it up a bit and make alfred into alfrida.. a fat stronk black mammy like from tom n jerry.. you dont ever see her face, just like in tom n jerry.
Rouge slaves kill waynes n escape..
Bruce dawns a black kkk suit and becomes batman with a sole purpose to hunt down and punish rogue niggers and protect the helpless slave owners.
Later he goes on to fight in the civil war.
Where is my money dc?
Let Snyder finish the movie. Or push it so you change everything. The middle ground we ended up with was just mediocre
>Jumanji
Really, that movie starring Rock, John Black and Nebula is going to surpass in the US Thor Ragnarok (starring Thor, Hulk and Loki all known names since Avengers 1) within next month and it's going to challenge Spider-Man movies despite having zero hype and having to compete with Star Wars.
Not saying the DCEU isn't troubled, but I wouldn't have opened the discussion with such an apple to orange comparison
Anyway I hate your Fourth World suggestion. The bigger Apokolips lore was mostly untouched by Justice League or BvS Steppenwolf was portrayed as some petty cosmic outcast.
Before anyone has a chance to try Fourth World again, BvS Luthor is the last remaining Snyderverse plot thread due to the post credits scene with Deathstroke. And also the potential Justice League vs Suicide Squad storyline. Those stories could have have immense potential because they can introduce new characters while boosting the most popular existing ones.
I think they only need to do one thing: slow the fuck down. Avengers worked because they took their time setting it up. DC tried to pump out a movie where you have to learn the abilities, history, and motivations, of three main heroes and a main villain. Retarded.
Get the Aquaman movie, Green Lantern, Batman, Wonder Woman 2, Shazam, Flash (I think Flashpoint is a bad idea, general audience will be too confused), and Cyborg movies out before you push Justice League 2 out; set up the signs of that film while we're connecting these other heroes.
For example, have a post-credits scene after every movie of Deathstroke and maybe Luthor recruiting a villain for each hero at the end of their films take Aquaman, Oceanmaster and Black Manta will be in it; have Manta as the secondary villain then have Deathstroke hire him at the end for the Injustice League.
>hating on Dwayne Johnson and Jack Black
You best not!
>MCU movies come out
>nobody gives a fuck about analysing them but just like them due to the movies being "fun"
>DCEU movie comes out
>people analyse the shit out of them in order to whine and moan about how crappy they are, how crappy Snyder is etc
seriously, what's up with people suddenly acting like MoS and BvS are top-tier movies that need some over-the-top analysis while not putting MCU movies under the same kind of scrutiny?
An MCU movie presents itself as a fun blockbuster. That is all they are trying to be and they generally succeed.
BvS presented itself as an important, intellectual film. It failed completely at that.
Drop Snyder. I sat down to watch it the other day with my dad and we both enjoyed it, especially Superman. But it felt cheaper than it should have been, when you consider who these characters are and their legacy in pop culture.
Mediocre is better than unwatchable trash, that would be Snyder.
>Drop Snyder
>Drop
You mean like Fall? As in Autumn?
dood srsly?
MCU is the McDonald's of movie. Actually, it's probably more like the Burger King when they were 'have it your way.'
People know what they are going to get and their is nothing new and exciting. That is why the films have all hit the limits they have. They shouldn't have blown their wad on Civil War, even though it's not really the third cap film. And Infinity Wars will turn out like Deathly Hollows I and II. The first movie really won't make as much money as the second, and the two films will feel even more like a cash grab than they already do, and no one will really be satisfied or happy or except for 'hardcore' fans like you.
Dude wanted to be edgy so God gave him a reason to be edgy. Everybody wins!
Not 98108809, just wanted to chime in.
>MCU is the McDonald's of movie. Actually, it's probably more like the Burger King when they were 'have it your way.'
>food analogies
MCU films generally hit the spot for entertainment, they make people forget the world for the time being, while also introducing characters that people genuinely like because they're endearing and generally likable in some manner.
>People know what they are going to get and their is nothing new and exciting.
Exactly, they know what they're going to get, and they're very excited because of it.
>That is why the films have all hit the limits they have.
Each sequel earned more than the last with the exception of AoU, I think they're doing fine.
>They shouldn't have blown their wad on Civil War, even though it's not really the third cap film.
It was though, Tony was just the antagonist, a lot of people are still excited for IW anyways.
>And Infinity Wars will turn out like Deathly Hollows I and II. The first movie really won't make as much money as the second, and the two films will feel even more like a cash grab than they already do, and no one will really be satisfied or happy or except for 'hardcore' fans like you.
A movie and its sequel that are a culmination of years of setup and hundreds of millions of dollars in investment is a cash grab?
I remember when the DCEU was outlined and established, some of its fans tried to market it as a contrast to the more "light-hearted" popcorn-munching MCU as "smart" and "grounded". People are going to critique it based on whether or not they live up to those qualities, so that's why people dump on it so hard and are quick to point out when they do a 180 like Suicide Squad and Justice League.
Am I the only one that fell in love with 'Everybody Knows' by Sigrid?
litty
>Let Snyder finish the movie.
That what we got last time Snyder got freedom to do his full vision
Jack Black as Hal Jordan
The Rock as Superman
Kevin Hart as the Flash
>Speed is my strenght and strenght is my weakness!
>Change Suicide Squad over BvS criticisms
>Change JL over SS criticisms
The correct thing to do would've been to course-correct based on things people liked rather than didn't like. People liked Wonder Woman. Make her more of a focus, since she hasn't really had an arc in the modern day yet. She also fits more into Snyder's religious/mythological themes than either Supes or Batman do.
You could also make the villain a woman, since there are quite a lot of lady New Gods.
Say you removed Cyborg, and made the sideline emotional reaction to the alien invasion more directly related to the threat than just a Marvel Magic Maguffin box. So the plot is now the hunt for the Anti-Life Equation:
>Scott Free crashes on Earth, fleeing Apokolips, and his confusion over the new world is the focal point by which we are introduced to what's changed since BVS.
>Then there's the League assembly, except now, Bruce and Diana only have to go to one person each. Bruce goes to Barry and talks about heroism, Diana goes to Arthur and talks about responsibility, kingdom and godhood. The team encounters Scott much as they encounter Cyborg.
>Darkseid's forces invade, except now it's the Female Furies, lead by Big Barda.
So now the whole film is an epic forbidden love story between two Gods, and every action scene is now punctuated by this sense of tragedy, which enriches the conflict.