Gender Inequality in Animation

This article came out in 2015.

cartoonbrew.com/artist-rights/crashing-the-boys-club-women-speak-out-about-gender-inequality-in-animation-118417.html

The article goes over problems in the industry from the perspective of some folks who work in it. Some takes they had about their experience in the industry:

>“primarily guys who would get known for being great storytellers” women do color and design
>"aggressively masculine behavior"
>Pixar has a “drinking culture”and a “culture of bros"

Were these real problems or is it being overblown? Are there any real issues with gender inequality in animation? Have there been any improvements in animation since 2015.

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female artist have zero to no interest in animation.

go to any art school and you will see like maybe one or two chicks in animation out of a class of like 30

things like photography is more interesting to girls

There is literally nothing wrong with masculinity.

What is wrong with a culture of bros? That shit keeps your people loyal and friendly.

I didn't read OP so I'm not sure what this thread is about but I wanted to chime in and say women's lib was a drastic misstep for humanity and will lead to the downfall of civilization

There is no such thing as gender equality. The truth is that a lot of women are getting into the healthcare industry so they can commute and work close to home. There's plenty of hospitals, the hours and benefits are good, and the safe work environment appeals to them. The animation industry isn't really going to get more women in position unless they overhaul the work hours, and the work culture to suit women's needs. Plus more animation studios need to pop up so the commute is short, instead of a hour or 2 long slog thru a congested city.

These.
Have any of you been in a class that was female dominated? "Feminine" behavior is fucking ridiculous.
Classtime got shifted an hour because the instructor was late, so we were sitting there for an hour with nothing to do. Landwhale and other girls next to me start chatting, spend about 15 minutes criticizing my physique, and 45 minute doing nothing but talking about how they like pumpkin spice lattes until I felt my brain oozing out my ears.

>pumpkin spice lattes

I never understood what the fuck was up with this shit. It's not really THAT good.

Can we send all the feminists to Africa or the middle east where they are actually needed? They are grasping for anything here in the west

>Were these real problems or is it being overblown?

How would i know, i'm not an insider in the animation industry.
Most if not all people here aren't.

i'm sure some people have dealt with the industry. plenty of people here on Sup Forums are a part of the industry, in some way.

Porn games do not count.

Why does every industry have to be 50/50? There are male-dominated industries. There are female dominated industries. And that's ok, because men and women don't make the same career choices.

What does that have to do with anything?

They're not demanding more women. They're complaining about the shit treatment to those that get in.

That's some nazi talk right there.

>shit treatment
>it's just men behaving like men

>men behaving like men

Rapists and sexual offenders are not normal, user.

Men are the ones who invented animation and still continue to pioneer it. Most women in the industry are lazy fans of tv who want to insert their characters and gay shipping into shows. They can fuck off.

Has there ever been real evidence that sexism is preventing any woman from getting any job here in America?

you know, I want to gender equality in oil rigs, submarine welding, frame carpentry and lumberjacking. For some reason gender equality only applies in office jobs.

Really makes you think.

>woman creates an office where woman can only apply
>office shuts down because everyone was being a bitch to each other instead of working

God damn why doesn't Sup Forums have to deal with Diversity shit threads every day, it's not fair.

Your idea of a what a man is kind of shit.

Actually open the fucking link.

Because Japan in general doesn't give a shit about it, so Sup Forums material remains pure.

Man Ralph was kind of an asshole.

It doesn't really make me think much. Most feminists live in urban settings and those jobs listed aren't as advertised or available in urban neighborhoods.

However, sure let's get some gender diversity there. If women feel capable and welcome in those areas, they will apply.

>They're complaining about the shit treatment to those that get in.
They always say that before they start demanding for quotas.

Doesn't have to be 50/50 desu. All it really has to do is be an environment that is conducive for different genders to reach their maximum potential without stigma. For instance, if there's like 1 female engineer in a pool of 50 (because she's the only woman who tried to be an engineer), then all that's really desired here is that she's treated with equal amounts of respect and has equal opportunity to succeed.

>inequality now means women are angry men aren't women
welp this is going well, totally normal, healthy adults are talking there.

Fuck feeling welcome, do you think every man in the world would feel welcome at an oil rig? Would some pasty faced manlet with noodles for arms feel welcome at any of those jobs?

Feeling welcome if just a weaselly way to say
the feelings of one person outside of the group mean more than the feelings of everyone that's already in the group.

nice try, woman.

Do you have a link to that article?

Japan has plenty of female animators, creatives, workers, etc and does it right and it has an even bigger masculine culture and drinking culture.

The problem is you, not the culture or the business. Adapt, form a new studio or leave.

Thing is, and no doubt am I going to come off as sexist or whatever, men and women have fundamentally different conceptions of what 'respect' means, and by extension what it means to be 'offensive'. It's like dogs and cats, or a metric-user and an imperial-user. They are always going to clash and act as if their group's worldview is universal. It's inevitable.

yeah, those jobs in oil rigs are fucking insane, most of the time you work one month and rest for one or two weeks.

The pays is good but it's fucking tiring. Also the probability to die from some unexpected (and sometimes hilarious) work accident is high.

in my country I saw one woman being a mason worker. ONE. She was lesbian though.

can men and boys not have anything anymore?

>Also the probability to die from some unexpected (and sometimes hilarious) work accident is high.
At least you'll always live on as a webm posted on Sup Forums.

At the animation workshop like 60% of their animation students are women, and that's a much more technically driven school than most in America. Gobelins is mostly female too iiirc

might just be the california inbreeding

Masculinity is evil, user. It's something to be cured and written off history books, not just controlled.

How do you take an article discussing a real problem and proceed to dive into one not being discussed?

Did you open the article?

There is definitely more interest in becoming animators coming from women than from men. A quick look at tumblr and deviantart will show you that.

Male artists, meanwhile, seem to prefer becoming freelance graphic designers and concept artists while doing commissions on the side.

>Meanwhile in the shit that actually requires masculine traits

pastebin or alternatives. fuck your links

This.

Men are enginered to be sexual deviants and war mongers. Nothing more, nothing less.

>Why can't men have an entire industry to themselves?

I'm not necessarily agreeing with the article, user, but it's pretty fucking ridiculous to want that.

Tranny prostitution?

So why didn't you lead with that question instead of saying shit anyone who read the article would be able to mock you for?

There's really only two problems as I see it on this particular topic:

1) While you're on the job, act like a fucking professional. You're there to work, it's not a dating service or a place to test out your pickup lines.

2) You don't get more women into certain lines of work by whining at industries and insisting they hire more women (even if they're unqualified), you get more women into certain lines of work by making them fully aware of the breadth of their available career options at a very young age and let them make their own choices when they grow up. If even at that point there is still a gender disparity, then that is not a problem of the patriarchy, it's just a reflection of natural differences between the sexes.

>folks
When did this word become a signal for muh oppression?

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In my country women are the majority in any kind of artistic schools in all classes but graduates tend to get balanced out especially in animation. Because the few men that do go to art schools tend to be very autistic and often stay in school late at night to do their own projects. Theres women like that too, but majority of the class sits on facebook all day, draws tumblr yaoi fanart on their sketchbook and flunks out or switches to Graphic Design once they realize just how much work animation requires.

Because animation is so work-intensive its the most "sweatshop" of all forms of art and media, its not as cool and romantic as being a painter in some elite circle where you just fart paint on the canvas and give it a pretentious name, animation is more of you and all your coworkers having their noses stuck in front of a screen or a paper 8-16 hours a day. And once new art students come to realize this when it takes them a week to get their yaoi boys or fursonas to wave towards the camera, most people quit.

>I want
No you don't. You just want a "gotcha"

There were some women working in the meat refinery I used to work in. The eye-opening thing is in "lower jobs" like that, equality already exists and everyone gets paid equally for the same work. This whole "unequality" shit only seems to be a problem at higher end comfy office jobs that barely qualify as jobs. One peculiar thing was how I noticed many of the female colleagues got shaped by the nature of the work itself. All of them were kinda shy and quiet at first but after a year or two chopping livestock to pieces most of them cursed like sailors, played cards and talked about their cars just like all us men did.

I bet all of those office work "misogyny" and "harassment" problems would instantly go away if we would force those workers to do say, road- and pavement work for 3 years. They dont have the time to be offended or to pinch at each others buttcheeks when the hard labor takes all the attention and time away.

So you're saying it's impossible to get along? That's coward talk.

Yeah you probably don't want it either

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Hard labour is for robots and people who deserve to be treated as robots.

Yet every person should do it at some point in their lives, or they lack the perspective and working ethic.

Calm down wonderbread guy

I'm just going to point out the confirmation bias there. More women use tumblr and deviantart. Therefor you will find more women interested in animation on there. That's not an actual metric to use when gauging 'interest' in general.

neither do webcomics, incidentally.

No, but there has been proof of Google specifically putting white and Asian men at a disadvantage when hiring.

That's because they want to make something of their own and most probably started making projects way before art schools.

I dunno if I'd wanna work at Sausage Fest Inc.

Who cares.

From the animators that I've seen in fact on twitter, there are women animators but it's like ehhhh they are all so shitty when it comes to picking business avenues. They think that they can just fucking work on the side, and that's not true.. it's just a fucking clusterfuck of women thinking that they have to prove themselves to us. And guys thinking they have to be an alpha bitch.

Who do you think represents this best from the people you follow on Twitter?

Overblown.

I'd become an alcoholic too considering quality of detail in Pixar cartoons. Sometimes when you are stressed out you do things you don't really give a fuck about and they aren't exactly nice, but some people like to look at those things and take high horse and make them about themselves.
>buncha men are drinking
>didn't "invite" any women because they didn't invite anyone at all, it just happened naturally
>wtf, why wasn't I invited, I can't be an outcast
>hmmm, they don't have any women now that I think about it, nevermind that men and women hang out in different ways
>THEY MUST HATE ALL WOMEN
10/10 logic.

Wew that hypocrisy

I thought it was another issue of
>Women just did not care or attempt to go into that industry in any large number
until very recently. It was not because there was some evil patriarchy involved keeping all the bitches out, just not that many women bothered to go into the field in the first place.

Not anymore, my animation class was slight majority girls at all times. Like 60-65% women. It seems in recent years lots of girls want to go into animation.

One of my professors talked about how that is a recent thing. When he was in school there was maybe one or two girls in each class in the early 90's.

>HEHEHEHEHE I wanna work with women to SCORE HEHEHEHEHE

You're the exact kind of man that article is talking about.

>They're complaining about the shit treatment to those that get in.
>Pixar has a “drinking culture”and a “culture of bros"

Seems to me they aren't.

Unit two in culver cityfag here.

Article is garbage. The shit about the historical issues are probably true, but not relevant. The key today.
Animation tools are exponentially easier, but animation still requires autismo powers. Those are heavily male.

The claim that Pixar of all places is a chadsville is stupidly hilarious. It's an offshoot of tech, yes, but it's farther left, and even more full of soy latte than Google.

Submitted for evidence: There are ZERO institutional barriers for animators on youtube. If anything, woman have an advantage at patreon fundraising. What is the gender balance there? Even more imbalnced than in the industry.

When considering if something is biological or cultural you should compare America against other societies, in this case in Japan. There's loads of women working in animation there, in everything from in-betweening to series direction.

>complaining that there's a "culture" of dumb shit guys like doing at a workplace that's mostly male
big surprise
there would also be a culture of dumb shit women like to do if the workplace were mostly women. would that also be a "problem" that needs correcting?

ANIMATORS are more male. But from my last couple years of jobs in animation here in Burbank it's pretty heavily outweighed by females in 1. Character design, 2. environment design, and 3. young storyboarders.

I do notice more men in retake animation, editorial, and production support roles. I barely see women on prod teams...(desu all the ones I've known on prod teams fuck up and get fired or stay career PA's)

Just shitting out some stuff I notice. Another gender split thing is both men and women become episode directors or showrunners but those going up to production, line producer, or studio side of things seem to be all dudes. I've met like two female line producers ever.

Studios are going toward like liberal/progressive everything is a lovely wonderland of friendship route with most shows so guess it explains some art departments seeming to only recruit women now. (Exaggeration, but heavily favor younger women over younger men.)

Meh, Both suck. I've been around an all-neck beard conservative schlub animation team and an all women story department and both were just fucking insufferable. Theres too much gender circlejerking by nerds.

You can see that far left, far right and mid in white upper row, as well far right on the couch wants his chad dick.

>why do I have to WORK at the work place, I want to be with my friends and party and joke and get paid! fuck sexism.

>or a metric-user and an imperial-user.
We all know metric is the better system.

Fucking this. As much as the word "manchild" is thrown around, nobody talks about the large percentage of women who carry that high school mentality far into adulthood and the workplace.

>Gender Inequality

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Wew spotted the toasty roasty. Islam will put you back in the kitchen.

Yes, and repressed and emotionally unstable. Such virtues.

Yes:

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4584998/

washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2015/04/30/sexism-in-science-peer-editor-tells-female-researchers-their-study-needs-a-male-author/?utm_term=.a46831b0e5e8

But by all means be an ignorant jackass. Anti-sjws wallow in denial like dogs wallow in excrement.

Die

Those articles were proven false. Try again sweetie. Insha Allah you return to the kitchen soon.

>Implying FGM,arranged marriages and honour killings arent becoming a thing in the west.

>Have there been any improvements in animation since 2015
So, from the looks of the replies so far in this thread, the situation hasn't become worse.
>b-but muh Steven Universe
Well, if that's the only show you watch and constantly complain about, then so be it.

Animation wise, I'm quite content with the output of most shows. I just wish the episodes were released in reliable schedules. That's all.

>Spreading fake news.

How thirsty do they get around their single big guy co-worker?

They could make a mix of Chinese workers getting mutilated or killed by the machines they operated.

I agree, in communist Russia EVERYONE could work in factories, farms or as simple labor. Modern leftist don't realize that the type of equality communism wants is not the mental wanking they think. Also Jordan Peterson (muh internet dad) says that each work ask for a specific type of traits to be successful in that job and climb higher in their social order, if women want to be successful lumberjacks, at one point they will have to take some traits of the male lumberjacks, that's what the job ask for.

t. college faggot working for minimal wage

>The one guy is a nu-male

So, no men at all.

If you need to hit some checkboxes for color and gender to make yourself feel inclusive, then you're looking at people based on their skin and sex, not their talent.

But communist Russia totally failed in everything, except shooting people into space first.
That's why it's superseded by capitalist autocratic Russia today, which still sucks, but now has magical uberhaxx0rs who can hack in all American computers and websites. At least, according to the Americans and their media, be they leftist or right, whatever that means in American jargon.

>except shooting people into space first.
You mean, shooting a poor doggo into space and let it die up there alone.

No wonder modern leftists like Islam so much.

>communism doesn't work
that's the point, modern leftist don't know (or care) about the consequences turning they already stable, capitalist countries into modern "utopias".

This gender equality is just one more step for their means. But I don't care anymore, I am too old for this shit.

That too. First satellite, first doggy, then first man.
Then somehow, the Ameriburgers managed to coordinate and talk together, and suddenly, they had first people on the moon.
Old people always think that a leftist is automatically a commie or wants to turn everything into communism. It's just as bad as having everything right be decried as being nazi.
That dumb old left vs right thinking that old people have will hopefully die out. If necessary, it must die out with the old generations who still perpetuate it and want to cling to it.

user, the people fostering us vs them mentality the most right now are young millennials. And it will never die out anyway; tribalism is a core element of humanity. Might as well ask humans to stop being primates.

Forced cyborgification upgrades to all of mankind when?
Once we're not apes anymore, but beautiful sexy robo cubes, we'll we free from the old thinking.
Unless those other robo cubes have a different color, of course.