Even Ian Jones-Quartey himself tells people to learn the fundamentals
Even Ian Jones-Quartey himself tells people to learn the fundamentals
Tyler Moore
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Nicholas Martinez
Are you practicing your fundies Sup Forums? How's your loomis?
Austin Hill
...and then does not take his own advice?
Jacob Fisher
Tell him to finish RPG World
Andrew Morris
he did with the OK KO ep A Hero's Fate
Joshua Morales
I remember various artists mentioning that learning to draw realistically with figure drawing will actually help make your cartoony stuff look better too
Joshua Richardson
I'm not sure how learning about muscles and skeletons will help improve noodle arms with meatball fists, but sure. Okay.
Josiah Brooks
Yes, that's how all art works, you can't break the rules before you know them.
Ethan Jackson
Here's the fundamentals.
Samuel Butler
Thomas Price
Jonathan Adams
Noah Howard
David White
im at level 1 and i'm happy their
is something wrong with me?
Henry Peterson
Save your favorite art, create a new layer in Photoshop or whatever, trace over with with basic skeletons, then hide the original drawing and see how it's broken down.
Brayden Evans
you'll cowards don't even burne hogarth
Justin Adams
As long as you're happy. If you're making art for other people to enjoy (IE: An audience) they might not be happy, so you have to decide whether or not that makes you unhappy.
David Foster
Many ways to draw a muscular character. They don't all have the same Johnny Bravo body type.
Jaxson Bennett
Aiden Morris
Try doing a gesture drawing with reference, then go over it with color-coded muscles to train your eye to see the anatomy underneath the skin.
Try to sketch as if you're doing the strainy muscles underneath first and follow the motion of that.
Cameron Lewis
Well, he's right. Either do thay or switch to /3/
Nicholas Green
Do studies of literally just a single aspect. What if you did a full page of just practicing an open mouth with visible teeth? Nothing wrong with a sketchbook page that is fingers if it helps you learn and memorize the anatomy of it.
Sometimes trying to learn the entirety of the body all at once feels like trying to learn the whole alphabet in one go, rather than slowing down and writing A over and over again until you know how to do it. Then move on to B C D. Just don't get tunnel vision with "A".
Sebastian Martin
These guides are made because even professional artists at Disney need refresher courses when they're trying to master a character. They don't have the immediate knowledge in their brain all at once, even Glen Keane needs to spend months practicing muscular figures in anticipation of animating Tarzan.
Jaxson Allen
Not everyone uses the same breakdown methods. Some people come up with things unique to them. One person might use boxes, one person might use paper folds. By drawing a lot and practice different methods, you will discover which is most comfortable for you, which is the essence of "drawing everyday". Not so you can do it for the sake of it, but so you can experience many different ways of just doing a gesture drawing or even holding a pencil.
Christopher Powell
Because that still requires a basic understanding of how the body works. Simplistic does not equal simple to draw.
Lincoln Morgan
Juan Jackson
5 and 6 look like hot garbage though. Like really try hard and stiff. 3rd-4th.
Julian Miller
Just gonna post hands for reference now.
Camden Howard
Take one hand gesture and draw it with different styles. One is a muscular hand, one is an animal paw, one is pointy villainous fingers, one is slim lady hand, one is stubby kids hand.
They all have the same basic skeleton, but the form changes to capture the character.
Aaron Anderson
How do you capture emotion in a hand? Just looking at these, you can tell which is expressing anger. Jagged gestures and more muscles showing can change a drawing immensely.
In extremely simplistic terms, consider the anger vein you see in old anime faces and how erasing it suddenly makes the character "not angry" anymore.
Thomas Moore
get with the program
Landon Jones
Don't forget to practice body parts on close-ups. Nothing is more awkward than mastering a cartoon character, then doing a close up and it looks fucking awkward because you have no idea how to make a stick figure look good at a close up when all you can see is dots for eyes and a single line for a mouth.
William Watson
artists who draw anything mildly exaggerated clearly couldn't know anything about the fundamentals.
Benjamin Clark
Chase Gomez
Even if you hate coloring, you should know the basics of shading, even at a black-and-white surface. It'll help you with your compositions and atmosphere on scenes.
Most storyboards are only done with grey, black, and white, values. You don't need to be a digital painting master to know how to shade a scene.
Luis Thomas
Do you look at real life photos for shading refs and your brain struggles to see how they're formed?
Try running them through filters, such as the Photoshop cutout filter, to define the shapes more easily for you to understand.
Sebastian Foster
i know so many artists who didn't learn fundamentals and can draw.
Aiden Hall
Landon Cox
Don't forget to practice props and clothes. Nude characters helps for form and gesture, but unfortunately, you won't be drawing nude characters if you're working in kids toons.
Asher Diaz
We all do but they really should pick it up
There's actually a big problem in the industry where these greenhorns that can draw well get into a studio and actually have to be retaught how to draw because they've been doing something wrong for years and never noticed. Do us a favor and save us time/money and read your fuckin Loomis
Easton Peterson
Hair is an extension of a skeleton, not part of the skeleton. Hair should not cut into the skull, hair styles should be interchangeable between a body template.
Hair can help define a characters' silhouette (Sailor Moon as an obvious one), but they should still be resting on top of the character, not cutting into them.
Michael Thompson
The more stain put on a piece of fabric, the less folds. The more a part is bending, the more folds.
A trick is also figuring out how many folds to draw for cartoon characters. This is why you learn fundamentals: You do detailed first then you simplify afterwards to tell yourself what is essential for an animated product.
James Harris
If you're going into animation, having a very basic knowledge of animation will help you immensely. It will tell you the process that your designs and characters will be going through. It might help you learn how to move them in three dimensions.
You don't need to be Milt Kahl level, you just need to grasp, '"Oh, this character's hair moves like shit in three dimension. How do I cheat it? (EG: Mickey Mouse)" or "Oh fuck, drawing this character's detailed belt is super annoying and unnecessary. Can I simplify it without destroying the design?".
Austin Price
The thumbnail makes it look like I'm looking through a wire fence
Anthony King
i have learned more from watching other artists and anime pictures then a book that i learn to draw/copy and forget in a week or try to use and can't make anything from it
Jaxon Ross
Do you struggle drawing a character when their arm is raised and you can see their underarm? Practice that specific gesture a bunch of times until you understand it. Then practice it with basic keyframes of standing still --> raising an arm so you can understand how the shoulder moves in motion. It helps you remember body form easier.
Liam Torres
Even rotoscoping can be helpful exercises. It's the same logic as having to memorize a poem for school so you write it down until you remember it. But you need to be able to do it freehand afterwards to see if it actually sunk in.
Christian Kelly
Don't only reference final product Disney or whatever animation if you plan to learn animation. Reference keyframes, pencil tests, roughs, really simple things as well.
If you only reference the high quality shit that took people months to do and years to learn, you're going to make yourself feel like a piece of shit because you are constantly measuring yourself up to doing Fantasia-level animation on your first go.
Take pic related for example. This is a solid base for keyframes. It just needs some inbetweens and it would be a good animation. And this is something a lot of newbie artists can accomplish doing. It doesn't seem so difficult even though it's using the same principles as theatrical animation, it's just doing it with far less drawings.
Noah Thompson
Also pro animators didn't fucking nail their work on their first go. They did very, very, VERY loose gesture roughs to try to capture the motion. This was never used for timing, just for motion of the action and gestures of the drawing.
You never get to see this work because most artists are too embarrassed to show you their extreme roughs or feel like it's not worth showcasing. So you know, they're just like you and all.
Hunter Miller
Christian Price
Parker Adams
Samuel Gutierrez
Animation is not about making things move realistically, it's about making things move convincingly and believably.
This is just two individual drawings that use a digital skew to create a squash effect and it still works. You can do a two-frame animation. Hell, most Hannah Barbara car animations were only two drawings.
Carson Richardson
You first Ian.
Connor Cooper
Even if you just do keyframed animation to help you practice bodies in motion, which will help you with gesture drawing, then it will serve its purpose as a learning tool. You don't need to dedicate a career path to being an animator if you decide to do animation.
These are really nice drawings even though the timing needs work and could use more inbetweens. Don't be worried about someone shitting on you because you uploaded just a keyframed animation rather than some overly animated fluid shit that looks more "complete".
Wyatt Hall
This is like what, ten, twelve drawings? Can you draw your character twelve times? You've probably already drawn them over a hundred in the years you've been drawing (If it's been years), so twelve solid drawings should be a cakewalk.
Cameron Wright
Props have personality too, and are often essential to characters. Don't forget them. Sometimes people get so wrapped up in drawing empty figures on white space that when it comes time to having them holding a book or sitting in a chair, the artist groans because they REALLY don't want to draw a chair... Because they avoided props so much, that it feels like a chore.
Lincoln Hughes
Draw 20 objects around your room in a simplistic manner. There is more than one kind of glass. There is more than one kind of TV monitor.
Not every character should be holding the exact same, generic shaped Coke Cola bottle. There are a lot more bottle shapes in the world than that.
Jaxon Rodriguez
Also, practice cars. They're one of the most common props.
Cars are similar to people where they all have the same basic skeleton (Four wheels, the hood, windshield above the hood, headlights on the front). Understand that basic shape and you can twist and change it just like you would a character design.
Ethan Carter
Isaiah Howard
Cooper Hernandez
You don't need to be perfect with vehicle drawings. Lots of people when they move on to mechanical work suddenly get nervous because the lines MUST BE PERFECT AND STRAIGHT.
But look how nice these drawings are even though they're jagged, imperfect. The tires are skewed here and there, the windows randomly change shape. But it's a good guide to capture the car in motion and some of the imperfect lines help convey it's speed or power when crashing.
If you move onto a more finalized product, then you can tie it down and make it "more perfect", but until then, no one is going to besmirch these drawings for being rather jagged. So why would they if you were to do it?
Jaxson Baker
Wew. When did this become /ic/?
On that note, anyone here feel like they're good at anatomy?
I haven't drawn in a couple days and I have homework for my illustration class Tuesday
Sebastian Gonzalez
Dominic Sanchez
Look how much you can convey with just black and white and a simple drawing pen.
David Parker
Work like this is fantastic, but it's not the only type of good art out there.
If you yourself love it when an artist has messy sketches and your favorite type of art are loose drawings, why would you think you're the only person who loves it? You don't need to force yourself into high quality illustration just to "look more impressive", because you were already a fan of messy sketches. So someone will become a fan of you for your messy sketches.
Ian Adams
Fundament is another word for butt hole
Owen Jones
Sometimes doing the same logic with props as you would body parts: Do it one at a time. It's hard to draw an entire scene. Maybe just practice trees. Then a house. Then umbrellas. Then a ground plane. Then put it all together and you can make a palm tree beach area with a tiny vacation house.
Nathaniel Foster
Bumping with exercises from the Preston Blair book.
Liam Cooper
Then you gotta get better study habits
Kayden Gray
Last thing I'll post for tonight. A page capturing all the elements of an animation pitch: Characters, props, their personalities which are defined through in drawings, minimum amount of words and lets the art do most of the talking.
Look at the goblet. It's not even an actual animation, it's just keyframes, but you can SEE it animated. And that's why it's good to know the basics of animation, just do you can do little things like this stretch and squash when pitching your own work.
Aaron James
Oh yeah, don't forget to practice your writing, people. Having amazing art skill is great, but only if you plan to work on other people's work forever. If you ever want to make your own story, don't neglect your writing muscle.
Even early Pixar drafts were complete and utter shit at their get-go. No one writes gold off the bat everytime. Your writing is gonna be just like your art: It's gonna suck early on and you'll have to keep working at it and revising it to make it better.
Chase Reed
Those puppies are doggone adorable
Brayden Hall
>he fell for the loomis meme
Henry Jones
Nah, man, I'm revolutionizing kid's cartoons.
Chase Thompson
This desu
I know too many people IRL that draw great but reading their work is fucking disgusting
Isaiah Walker
bump
Andrew Brown
>tfw you realize you're behind in both
Welp, time to /wrists.
Owen Butler
>All it did was confirm that Hero and Cherry got together, and that Galgarion survives.
I want some REAL answers!
Real talk though, I'm fucking amazed that he came back to it at all after ten years; though reading through the post he made for it on the RPG World website really makes it sound like it wasn't his idea. His storyboarders kinda muscled him into it and it sounds like he kinda regrets writing RPG World at all. Still, he's got talent, and if he focused a bit harder, I really think he could make something a lot more memorable than OK KO.
That said, at least we can all agree that Reka was best girl.
Jayden Ramirez
I started drawing a few months and I'm currently trying to get shading down. I get the basic concept of it but it is a bitch to get down, especially on complex figures.
Kayden White
This shit screams skinnyfat rage
Carson Roberts
and what exactly it's wrong with it?
Nathaniel Hughes
I fail to see the importance or learning detailed bones unless you wan to draw a RPG monster manual.
Mason Howard
always funny to see people who can't draw sit trying to lecture others on "the good way to become a pro". What they say about teachers is so true in the end.
Zachary Clark
This has been a good thread, thanks
Hudson Thompson
>how the body works.
who cares when your noodles don't even have a spine or articulated limbs.
Ryan Nelson
>draw a box
>loomis
>anything but memes
Jonathan Peterson
Because it helps you to place the muscles you fucking idiot, as well as help to establish landmarks when you're first constructing the figure. Did you know the pectoralis major muscle connects to the humerus? Do you know where? Exactly.
Austin Carter
I wish I could draw
I can even write with a normal letter
if you have good art and capacity train hard user
you can do it
Joshua Ortiz
*can't
sorry
Cooper Evans
If only he could tell people this in the actual quality of his work.
Adrian Jackson
He's not as good as bridgman, and his prose is gay!
Elijah Barnes
No one likes looking at their amateur work from 20 years ago.
Brayden Jenkins
I see no reason to practice if you're not good at drawing
Ethan Gutierrez
>the fundamentals
Ian Gray
And why would that help unless I'm drawing skinless people?
Daniel Sanders
>only using one teacher to learn anatomy
Leo Rivera
Even the beaner with public education is better than most Calarts graduates
Ayden Diaz
Yah know I came into this thread expecting twatter drama bullshit and what I got was a fuckton of art advice, thanks really it's a nice change of pace.
Owen Lee
If we go by Dobson, Zack from Paranatural, the handstabber from Questionable Content and the guy who draws that tranny Captain America, sometimes practice will only make your art worse.