What went wrong?

What went wrong?

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the narration

and the puke inhuman for the plot

Just about everything from to first "Hail Hydra" to hijacking Civil War 2 was done perfectly,

However, it all went wrong with them deciding for the story to be about what happened after they took over the world instead of it being them trying to stop him from taking over the world. The whole ragtag group of rebels trying to overthrow a corrupt government doesn't really work in the main Marvel universe.

Nobody wanted Nazi Steve
Its just Spencer venting over the election

Everyone knew exactly what the ending would be, but they spread it out over a year with a lot of really bad writing, most issues where filled with narration like:

>We where winning
>We had hope
>But then we were losing

your expectations

Spencer being a hack.

Well the whole "It's really Steve, honest." And trying to sell the "He's not brainwashed he's always been like this."

It was doomed from the start.

What went wrong? Seriously?

>Title is "Secret Empire"
>When empire is established it's not fucking secret at all
>At no point was there ever a grand reveal that people were subjects of any kind of secret empire instead of the country there were living in

They chose to create an entirely new Steve out of whole cloth for the finale rather than slowly have Hydra Steve realize he was on the wrong side and stand up to the High Council in spite of his new history, converting Zemo to his side in the process.

Seriously, I even would have settled for just having Classic Steve and Hydra Steve fighting in his mind like they did for Superior Spider-Man. The simplest effort to make it a character piece would have been all it took for me to like this. Instead, we got Hydra Steve as an entirely new character that no-one will remember in three more months.

- Released at the wrong time. 10-15 years ago an event like Secret Empire would've probably pissed a few people off, but ultimately would've been forgotten. Doing HydraCap in a period where the Trump presidency and Berkley are fresh on people's minds was a bad miscalculation, just look at how "Captain America is now a Nazi!" made it to front page news and pissed all the normies off.
- On top of that, Marvel readers were suffering from event burnout bad. People were just fucking sick and tired of big crossover events where heroes are miserable, fight one-another for the most inane reasons, and ultimately just wind up destroying themselves.
- Ultimately, what hamstrung the event itself was Marvel's last minute decision to back out on it. It is very, very obvious that this was supposed to herald in the Legacy characters as the new, 'true' inheritors of their mantles (Bruce Banner is dead, Clint is tainted, Odinson is unworthy, Stark is in a coma, and Cap is now in jail). Instead, Marvel saw the reaction and hit the damage control button hard, which resulted in the story going through a lot of last-minute revisions that not only completely broke the pacing of the story, but ultimately resulted in a finale which fundamentally contradicted the overall message of the story; that heroes couldn't rely on just one figure to make all the tough calls for them.

Lying to and pissing off fans became Marvel's business model.

Spencer seemed to have a lot of fun writing Hydra Steve, as others have noted. I think his take on Civil War 2 is the only good stuff to come out of that event, since we got to see some Cap Keikaku.

But once it became an "EVENT" it went off the rails, mostly because they kept pussyfooting around Steve being a Nazi and because Spencer clearly just got burnt out by the scale of the event. Captain America as a Hydra agent is twisted because he should actually be good at being evil. He should make the right points, effective at establishing himself, and be seductive in explaining his views. That's the very real danger you could be playing with -- someone so fundamental "good" bringing all those wonderful qualities over to the side of "Evil." And early on, when Steve was sabotaging the Red Skull, it seemed to play into that, which is what made those few issues a lot of fun.

But then, once he became the Ruler of the Earth, Hydra Steve suddenly started doubting himself and kept botching his execution. He became a hackneyed villain instead of a credible, seductive threat, and that cost the book a whole lot. It became really uninspired, and Spencer seemed miserable writing it, which really didn't help him at all, even if he slipped in a few gems like Pymtron and the "Twitter" stinger. He should've kept it confined to the Captain America comics, but as is, he bit off more than he could chew and totally botched whatever good he had instilled in those early Cap stories.

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What are you nuts
That twist was badass

This.

The clear change in direction at the last second as Marvel realized the fanbase was absolutely not going to tolerate the bad end Spenser clearly wanted made it even more incoherent.

The fact that we had the best looking Hydra high command and Masters of Evil in AGES and none of them got a decent fight scene was also a contributor.

I think part of the problem is that Spencer cannot write heroes. Give him Boomerang, give him Captain Keikaku, give him Pymtron or Taskmaster or Black Ant, he can run with it.

>that heroes couldn't rely on just one figure to make all the tough calls for them
This was the funniest fucking part. The whole event had people going on about how just blindly trusting authority figures to fix your problems can leave you blind when they abuse their power. Letting Cap solve all their problems is why everything went to hell. But how did they win? Cap bested up Hydra Cap And solves all their problems for them. There was clearly a rewrite considering you had the kid playing with a FalCap figure when he didn’t do jack shit and ended up giving up the mantle.

Guess we’ll see how he handles Spider-Man.

This is why Dark Reign was so much better. You saw the rise and the fall of Stormin Norman. Shame that Siege was shit but at least it was short.

Even then the heroes never became a coalition or otherwise solved the fucking problem, they just flailed around like assholes from bad fight scene to bad fight scene.

A decent editor would've, I think, worked a lot of this shit out but you have the fundamental problem of pitching a story about how Captain America is a bad idea and running it in a Captain America book.

What was he fucking thinking?

I wonder how they advertise a Captain Falcon action figure. Does it come with a phone so they can play him bitching on Twitter.

They killed Elisa before she and Steve could fuck.

>the "Twitter" stinger
That was pretty good.

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This. It should have been about Hydra Steve realizing what a load of shit Hydra are.

Its full of dumb shit; Thor happily working with Chthon (whose waifu, implied to be an Elder Goddess, was killed in an explosion of all things), when they fucking hate each other.

Before they could Cuck-thon. Kek.

Goblin Spider-man.

And then people will complain it's copying Slott

I get why they didn't do it because sliding timescale, but him saying "I imagine people on MySpace will be furious" would have been so much better. That reporter chick would have been so permanently BTFO that she would have just ceased to exist. I would have personally given Spencer an enthusiastic handjob.

Real Cap emerging from a dream to replace Stevil was what was wrong with this story. also it needed more Hydra Ock content

I just realized...this is Marvel's the Last Jedi. Where all the heroes plans just don't work, they keep getting annihilated at every turn that their resistance becomes non-existent, Miles Morales has a "Don't destroy what we hate, but save what we love" moment when he doesn't kill Cap, and there's a fakeout for the "True" hero to save the day.

>>Captain America kills Red Skull, like Kylo kills Snoke.
>>Event and movie ends with the heroes playing with action figures, inspired by the heroes

Might be onto something.

Nobody at Marvel can do commentary on right vs left that isn't blatantly one-sided.
Also it was another FUCK DRUMPF book amidst a sea of other shitty unentertaining FUCK DRUMPF material.

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